"...notoriously weak arms.." ??? - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

Ga_Red · 06-17-2006, 02:29 AM

2/09/07

KronoRed · 06-17-2006, 02:51 AM

That's a new one

MrCinatit · 06-17-2006, 07:12 AM

Iwas not aware that the rest of the league thought the Reds had weak arms - however, the ChiSox were rather aggressive on the basepaths. Seemingly more so than any other team they have faced.
Since I do not watdch the Sox day-by-day, I do not know if this is their normal brand of baseball. In watching the Reds day-by-day, I have not noticed any other team being so aggressive against our OF.
I certainly hope it was a fluke. Because if it was not, teams could begin to run at will on us.

RedsManRick · 06-17-2006, 09:18 AM

I think he got his positions confused. The weak arm that hurt the Reds belonged to Brandon Claussen.

acredsfan · 06-17-2006, 09:42 AM

Thats funny, Griffey and Kearns have two of the better arms in MLB as far as I'm concerned, Dunn doesn't have all that strong of an arm, but it's not terrible.

IslandRed · 06-17-2006, 09:48 AM

I agree with that -- I don't think the outfield is subpar at throwing. They're subpar at moving. The Sox' advance scouts probably told them "they're slow getting to the ball, you can get the extra base even with a good throw."

Jpup · 06-17-2006, 10:30 AM

Jr.'s arm is horrible. Kearns has a very good arm and Dunn is above average, IMO. You can run on Jr. all day every day and I have noticed it a lot this season.

Candy Cummings · 06-17-2006, 11:12 AM

Those extra bases are clearly consistent with the White Sox' philosophy on the basepaths. I always thought Kearns had a good rep for throwing, but the others had some weaknesses.

I don't think this team has any clear strength except offense.

Jpup · 06-17-2006, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Candy Cummings

Those extra bases are clearly consistent with the White Sox' philosophy on the basepaths. I always thought Kearns had a good rep for throwing, but the others had some weaknesses.

I don't think this team has any clear strength except offense.

I agree. After Harang and Claussen, the pitching is horrendous. The defense is as bad as any in the league.

MWM · 06-17-2006, 11:23 AM

They're right. Junior's arm is weak these days, and so is Dunn's, IMO. Dunn's arm isn't all that bad, but he's fairly innacurate which makes his average arm strength a bigger liability. Kearns has a cannon though and you won't see alot of people running on him.

Matt700wlw · 06-17-2006, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by acredsfan

Dunn doesn't have all that strong of an arm, but it's not terrible.

He made a heck of a play last night with it.

Reds1 · 06-17-2006, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by acredsfan

Thats funny, Griffey and Kearns have two of the better arms in MLB as far as I'm concerned, Dunn doesn't have all that strong of an arm, but it's not terrible.

Dunn have a very strong arm. Mr. QB at Texas and he threw a seed to throw out a guy last night. His problem is he can't throw straight.

I hope they continue to run as we'll throw guys out. Freel has a good arm too!

Mario-Rijo · 06-18-2006, 10:00 AM

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Jr.'s arm is horrible. Kearns has a very good arm and Dunn is above average, IMO. You can run on Jr. all day every day and I have noticed it a lot this season.

Sorry JPUP you are dead wrong on this one, Jr's arm is still one of the better CF arms in at least the NL. If you all wanna see what a "weak arm" is then watch a Yankees game, then come back and tell me that Jr is below average. The fact is we don't have a "weak arm" in that OF, although we might have an average arm (McCracken). But it's not Dunn, Griffey, Kearns or Freel.

Spitball · 06-18-2006, 10:19 AM

Last night, the Chisox announcers were raving about the throws by Dunn and Kearns.

Side Note: Ken Harrelson is my very least favorite announcer.

RedsManRick · 06-18-2006, 10:42 AM

Kearns' throw from the warning track to 3rd base when Konerko was tagging was a very strong throw. Fine, he's no Ichiro or Guillen, but I'd put him in the tier below that.

Dunn and Griffey are both probably average to above average for their positions strength wise, but Dunn's accuracy leaves a lot to be desired.

06-17-2006, 02:29 AM	#1
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KronoRed The Lineups stink. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: West N. Carolina Posts: 55,343	Re: "...notoriously weak arms.." ??? That's a new one __________________ Go Gators!

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MrCinatit Baseball card addict Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Piqua Posts: 4,426	Re: "...notoriously weak arms.." ??? Iwas not aware that the rest of the league thought the Reds had weak arms - however, the ChiSox were rather aggressive on the basepaths. Seemingly more so than any other team they have faced. Since I do not watdch the Sox day-by-day, I do not know if this is their normal brand of baseball. In watching the Reds day-by-day, I have not noticed any other team being so aggressive against our OF. I certainly hope it was a fluke. Because if it was not, teams could begin to run at will on us. __________________ whisper words of wisdom I wrote a book! My AmazonShort My other AmazonShort

06-17-2006, 09:18 AM	#4
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,919	Re: "...notoriously weak arms.." ??? I think he got his positions confused. The weak arm that hurt the Reds belonged to Brandon Claussen. __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

06-17-2006, 09:42 AM	#5
acredsfan On the brink of disaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 627	Re: "...notoriously weak arms.." ??? Thats funny, Griffey and Kearns have two of the better arms in MLB as far as I'm concerned, Dunn doesn't have all that strong of an arm, but it's not terrible. __________________ "I thought I'd get your theories, mock them, then embrace my own. The usual." -- House "You guys are still thinking like doctors when you should be thinking like plumbers. Come on, I wanna see some butt crack." -- House

06-17-2006, 09:48 AM	#6
IslandRed Charlie Brown All-Star Join Date: May 2001 Location: Mt. Juliet, TN Posts: 4,676	Re: "...notoriously weak arms.." ??? I agree with that -- I don't think the outfield is subpar at throwing. They're subpar at moving. The Sox' advance scouts probably told them "they're slow getting to the ball, you can get the extra base even with a good throw." __________________ "I don't have a baseball team, I have a theological seminary." -- Charlie Brown

06-17-2006, 10:30 AM	#7
Jpup Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Southern KY Posts: 6,967	Re: "...notoriously weak arms.." ??? Jr.'s arm is horrible. Kearns has a very good arm and Dunn is above average, IMO. You can run on Jr. all day every day and I have noticed it a lot this season. __________________ "My mission is to be the ray of hope, the guy who stands out there on that beautiful field and owns up to his mistakes and lets people know it's never completely hopeless, no matter how bad it seems at the time. I have a platform and a message, and now I go to bed at night, sober and happy, praying I can be a good messenger." -Josh Hamilton

06-17-2006, 11:12 AM	#8
Candy Cummings Curveballer Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Ware, Mass. Posts: 529	Re: "...notoriously weak arms.." ??? Those extra bases are clearly consistent with the White Sox' philosophy on the basepaths. I always thought Kearns had a good rep for throwing, but the others had some weaknesses. I don't think this team has any clear strength except offense. __________________ I'm just throwing the world curve balls. Click here for FalconBlog

06-17-2006, 11:23 AM	#10
MWM Pre-tty, pre-tty good!! Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,171	Re: "...notoriously weak arms.." ??? They're right. Junior's arm is weak these days, and so is Dunn's, IMO. Dunn's arm isn't all that bad, but he's fairly innacurate which makes his average arm strength a bigger liability. Kearns has a cannon though and you won't see alot of people running on him. __________________ Grape works as a soda. Sort of as a gum. I wonder why it doesn't work as a pie. Grape pie? There's no grape pie. - Larry David

06-18-2006, 10:19 AM	#14
Spitball Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Posts: 5,492	Re: "...notoriously weak arms.." ??? Last night, the Chisox announcers were raving about the throws by Dunn and Kearns. Side Note: Ken Harrelson is my very least favorite announcer. __________________ "Colorless green ideas sleep furiously."- Noam Chomsky

06-18-2006, 10:42 AM	#15
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,919	Re: "...notoriously weak arms.." ??? Kearns' throw from the warning track to 3rd base when Konerko was tagging was a very strong throw. Fine, he's no Ichiro or Guillen, but I'd put him in the tier below that. Dunn and Griffey are both probably average to above average for their positions strength wise, but Dunn's accuracy leaves a lot to be desired. __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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