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Old 06-25-2006, 02:36 PM   #1
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Elizardo Ramirez.

Seriously, how good is this guy?

I gotta admit, I thought his first couple of starts were a fluke, and reality would set in very shortly. But it hasn't, yet.

Is this guy a fixture in our rotation?

Do the Reds need to start thinking long-term with this guy?
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Old 06-25-2006, 02:43 PM   #2
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Re: Elizardo Ramirez.

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Seriously, how good is this guy?

Is this guy a fixture in our rotation?

Do the Reds need to start thinking long-term with this guy?
1. Pretty good

2. Yes

3. Yes. He seems like the type of pitcher who will help you but not really blow away the competition, thus not making his salary baloon.
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Old 06-25-2006, 04:03 PM   #3
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How bout The Lizard!
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Old 06-25-2006, 04:06 PM   #4
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Re: Elizardo Ramirez.



Awesome job again by Elizardo today!!!
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Old 06-25-2006, 04:13 PM   #5
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Re: Elizardo Ramirez.

great pick up from the phillies, it makes up for Tony Gonzalez for Jim Owens
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Old 06-25-2006, 04:17 PM   #6
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Re: Elizardo Ramirez.

Cory Lidle. :
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Old 06-25-2006, 04:40 PM   #7
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Re: Elizardo Ramirez.

Elizardo Ramirez.

Is that a proper sentence? Which is the subject and which is the verb?
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Old 06-25-2006, 04:44 PM   #8
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Re: Elizardo Ramirez.

if it were french, the ez ending would be a correct conjugation for the verb form of etre, like vous-aaez, so perhaps Elizardo is the subject and ramir is the verb, and ramirez if the conjugation, but regardless it is a perspicacious query, one that probably only Murray Cook could answer
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Old 06-25-2006, 04:45 PM   #9
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Re: Elizardo Ramirez.

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great pick up from the phillies, it makes up for Tony Gonzalez for Jim Owens
Yeah, Tony is a GREAT tight end.
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Old 06-25-2006, 06:47 PM   #10
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Re: Elizardo Ramirez.

He reminds me of Pedro at he same age. Not saying he will end up like Pedro, but skinny, Dominican pitcher that has pretty good control and is not afraid to pitch inside. Just think of our rotation in the coming years:

Harang(need to lock up long term)
Arroyo(see above)
Ramierez(see above)
Bailey(still too early for long term)

we need relief pitching
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Old 06-25-2006, 07:11 PM   #11
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Re: Elizardo Ramirez.

Ramon Ortiz was another skinny Dominican pitcher...

Seriously though, I personally am VERY impressed with Ramirez. After his initial start last season against the Phils, it looked like his stuff wasn't that good (though his results that game were aside of a couple solo shots) and he struck me as another Reds pitching callup...bad stuff and no margin for error. However, the dozen or so starts he has strung together this year make it look as though he could be an admirable bottom of the rotation pitcher for years to come.

The guy is only 23...maybe he'll continue to improve!
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Old 06-25-2006, 07:51 PM   #12
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Re: Elizardo Ramirez.

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3. Yes. He seems like the type of pitcher who will help you but not really blow away the competition, thus not making his salary baloon.
That's not to say he won't blow the competition away in the future. He's young and has no where to go but up! He's only going to get better and better.
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Old 06-25-2006, 08:18 PM   #13
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Re: Elizardo Ramirez.

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He reminds me of Pedro at he same age. Not saying he will end up like Pedro, but skinny, Dominican pitcher that has pretty good control and is not afraid to pitch inside.

we need relief pitching
That's the only thing that reminds me of Pedro, unless you're talking about the Pedro from Napoleon Dynamite. Pedro Martinez threw in the high 90s and had and has ridiculous stuff. Don't get me wrong Elizardo can be a very good pitcher but he's very different from Pedro IMHO.
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Old 06-25-2006, 08:32 PM   #14
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Re: Elizardo Ramirez.

I though he meant Pedro Borbon
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Old 06-25-2006, 08:34 PM   #15
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Yeah, Tony is a GREAT tight end.
Hmmm...
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