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GriffeyFan · 07-02-2006, 01:30 PM

Ok, maybe not the worst ever since a couple of guys have been thrown overboard, but with over half of the bullpen with an ERA over 5, you're definitely a candidate for the award.

Now, Shakelford's only thrown 10.1 innings, but Merker, Yan and Weathers don't have that excuse. I think the Reds need to acquire as many quality bullpen arms as possible in the next month. I think we need at least 2 or 3.

Brian Shackelford - 8.71
Kent Mercker - 6.16
Esteban Yan - 5.91
David Weathers - 5.25
Matt Belisle - 4.35
Todd Coffey - 2.55
Jason Standridge - 2.08

I hope Joe Mays is the next guy thrown overboard. He's allowed 45 runs in 41.2 innings.

BenHayes · 07-02-2006, 05:30 PM

Easily the worst in the past fifty years of cincy baseball

RedLegSuperStar · 07-02-2006, 06:15 PM

I remember when we had one of the best pens.. had Sullivan, Williamson, Villone, White, dare I say it but Graves

deltachi8 · 07-02-2006, 06:43 PM

[KIP]like there is anyway to know that [/KIP]

Worst ever? I dunno if thats true. Not good enough for a playoff run? I do know that.

nineworldseries · 07-02-2006, 07:01 PM

Come on now, I'm sure there have been worse bullpens...

in Wisconsin Tee-Ball leagues.

07-02-2006, 07:43 PM

All I know is I sat thru 3 games in 3 days(same amount as last 2 seasons total) and I have had enough watching that crap. Should have been swept.....thank God for Fri.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111

tsj017 · 07-02-2006, 07:50 PM

Our BP is BS.

And that's probably going to be the story of the 2006 Reds.

:thumbdown

Razor Shines · 07-02-2006, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GriffeyFan

Ok, maybe not the worst ever since a couple of guys have been thrown overboard, but with over half of the bullpen with an ERA over 5, you're definitely a candidate for the award.

Now, Shakelford's only thrown 10.1 innings, but Merker, Yan and Weathers don't have that excuse. I think the Reds need to acquire as many quality bullpen arms as possible in the next month. I think we need at least 2 or 3.

Brian Shackelford - 8.71
Kent Mercker - 6.16
Esteban Yan - 5.91
David Weathers - 5.25
Matt Belisle - 4.35
Todd Coffey - 2.55
Jason Standridge - 2.08

I hope Joe Mays is the next guy thrown overboard. He's allowed 45 runs in 41.2 innings.

I was thinking if we got one guy with a rubber arm that we could run out there 4 or 5 times a week, and was effective, would that be enough? I mean it's not ideal but I think it might be enough to hold on to the wild card. Does this guy exist though? Probably not for us.

Redhook · 07-02-2006, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedLegSuperStar

I remember when we had one of the best pens.. had Sullivan, Williamson, Villone, White, dare I say it but Graves

Since you were only 7 in 1990, you probably don't remember too much about the "real" Nasty Boys. They were phenomenal....Dibble, Myers, Charlton. All outstanding. They put the staff you have listed above to shame. That staff you have listed above, 1999 I believe, was very good and I'm sure all of us would absolutely love to have that bullpen right now.

LawFive · 07-03-2006, 11:19 AM

Take a look at some 2003 boxscores if you haven't eaten yet. Any junior high kid with two arms could've pitched.

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/box-...d=200309230CN5

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/box-...d=200309180PIT

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/box-...d=200307100HOU

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/team...p?y=2003&t=CN5

ED44 · 07-03-2006, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deltachi8

[KIP]like there is anyway to know that [/KIP]

Worst ever? I dunno if thats true. Not good enough for a playoff run? I do know that.

Nice Napolean reference...pretty good laugh with that one.

Anyway, if we are going to mke a push for the playoffs, we need HELP.

Chip R · 07-03-2006, 08:47 PM

Last year the bullpen was pretty sucky. Remember the magic that was Ben Weber?

RedsBaron · 07-04-2006, 07:45 AM

For most of my lifetime, one thing a Reds fan could count on was a quality bullpen......Henry, Brosnan, McCool, Ellis, Nottebart, Abernathy, Granger, Carroll, Hall, Borbon, Eastwick, McEnaney, Hume, Bair, Franco, Myers, Dibble, Charlton, Brantley, Shaw, Williamson, Graves....on and on...the Reds might come up short in starting pitching, but they had a bullpen most seasons. I am absolutely stunned by the ineptitude of the current Reds relief corps.

redsupport · 07-04-2006, 08:26 AM

do you think Ben Hayes would be the middle man or the closer if he were time warped and inserted into this august group?

BenHayes · 07-04-2006, 01:22 PM

Thanks REDS BARON for the great names from yesteryear. The 2006 version of Cincy's pen doesn't have anyone even close to the ones mentioned.

07-02-2006, 01:30 PM	#1
GriffeyFan Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Indianapolis, Ind. Posts: 2,784	The worst bullpen ever? Ok, maybe not the worst ever since a couple of guys have been thrown overboard, but with over half of the bullpen with an ERA over 5, you're definitely a candidate for the award. Now, Shakelford's only thrown 10.1 innings, but Merker, Yan and Weathers don't have that excuse. I think the Reds need to acquire as many quality bullpen arms as possible in the next month. I think we need at least 2 or 3. Brian Shackelford - 8.71 Kent Mercker - 6.16 Esteban Yan - 5.91 David Weathers - 5.25 Matt Belisle - 4.35 Todd Coffey - 2.55 Jason Standridge - 2.08 I hope Joe Mays is the next guy thrown overboard. He's allowed 45 runs in 41.2 innings.

07-02-2006, 05:30 PM	#2
BenHayes Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cornelius, NC Posts: 189	Re: The worst bullpen ever? Easily the worst in the past fifty years of cincy baseball

07-02-2006, 06:15 PM	#3
RedLegSuperStar Greatness In The Making Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 4,078	Re: The worst bullpen ever? I remember when we had one of the best pens.. had Sullivan, Williamson, Villone, White, dare I say it but Graves

07-02-2006, 06:43 PM	#4
deltachi8 smells of rich mahogany Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 3,001	Re: The worst bullpen ever? [KIP]like there is anyway to know that [/KIP] Worst ever? I dunno if thats true. Not good enough for a playoff run? I do know that. __________________ Nothing to see here. Please disperse.

07-02-2006, 07:01 PM	#5
nineworldseries Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Hilliard, Ohio Posts: 268	Re: The worst bullpen ever? Come on now, I'm sure there have been worse bullpens... in Wisconsin Tee-Ball leagues.

07-02-2006, 07:43 PM	#6
Captain Buckeye Guest Posts: n/a	Re: The worst bullpen ever? All I know is I sat thru 3 games in 3 days(same amount as last 2 seasons total) and I have had enough watching that crap. Should have been swept.....thank God for Fri.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111

07-02-2006, 07:50 PM	#7
tsj017 Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 333	Re: The worst bullpen ever? Our BP is BS. And that's probably going to be the story of the 2006 Reds. :thumbdown

07-03-2006, 11:19 AM	#10
LawFive Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Eastern Suburbia Posts: 533	Re: The worst bullpen ever? Take a look at some 2003 boxscores if you haven't eaten yet. Any junior high kid with two arms could've pitched. http://www.baseball-almanac.com/box-...d=200309230CN5 http://www.baseball-almanac.com/box-...d=200309180PIT http://www.baseball-almanac.com/box-...d=200307100HOU http://www.baseball-almanac.com/team...p?y=2003&t=CN5 __________________ The seven most magic words in all the land... "If, in the opinion of the referee,..."

07-03-2006, 08:47 PM	#12
Chip R Rally Onion! Join Date: May 2000 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 33,221	Re: The worst bullpen ever? Last year the bullpen was pretty sucky. Remember the magic that was Ben Weber? __________________ The Rally Onion wants 150 fans before Opening Day. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rally-...24872650873160

07-04-2006, 07:45 AM	#13
RedsBaron Big Red Machine Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Out Wayne Posts: 22,370	Re: The worst bullpen ever? For most of my lifetime, one thing a Reds fan could count on was a quality bullpen......Henry, Brosnan, McCool, Ellis, Nottebart, Abernathy, Granger, Carroll, Hall, Borbon, Eastwick, McEnaney, Hume, Bair, Franco, Myers, Dibble, Charlton, Brantley, Shaw, Williamson, Graves....on and on...the Reds might come up short in starting pitching, but they had a bullpen most seasons. I am absolutely stunned by the ineptitude of the current Reds relief corps. __________________ "Hey...Dad. Wanna Have A Catch?" Kevin Costner in "Field Of Dreams."

07-04-2006, 08:26 AM	#14
redsupport Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,783	Re: The worst bullpen ever? do you think Ben Hayes would be the middle man or the closer if he were time warped and inserted into this august group?

07-04-2006, 01:22 PM	#15
BenHayes Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Cornelius, NC Posts: 189	Re: The worst bullpen ever? Thanks REDS BARON for the great names from yesteryear. The 2006 version of Cincy's pen doesn't have anyone even close to the ones mentioned.

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