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savafan · 06-30-2006, 04:34 PM

They were talking about this on the Dan Patrick show yesterday, and mentioned the following as the best #1 and #2 starter combos this season.

Detroit Tigers

Kenny Rogers

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SPLIT	G	IP	H	R	HR	BB	SO	W	L	Sv	P/GS	WHIP	BAA	ERA
Season	16	104.2	94	43	12	25	59	10	3	0	96.7	1.14	.243	3.44

Justin Verlander

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SPLIT	G	IP	H	R	HR	BB	SO	W	L	Sv	P/GS	WHIP	BAA	ERA
Season	16	103.2	94	38	11	31	65	10	4	0	98.3	1.21	.248	3.13

Boston Red Sox

Josh Beckett

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SPLIT	G	IP	H	R	HR	BB	SO	W	L	Sv	P/GS	WHIP	BAA	ERA
Season	16	97.0	83	55	20	31	82	10	3	0	97.8	1.18	.226	4.64

Curt Schilling

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SPLIT	G	IP	H	R	HR	BB	SO	W	L	Sv	P/GS	WHIP	BAA	ERA
Season	17	114.1	110	45	15	14	102	10	2	0	107.2	1.08	.253	3.54

Minnesota Twins

Francisco Liriano

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SPLIT	G	IP	H	R	HR	BB	SO	W	L	Sv	P/GS	WHIP	BAA	ERA
Season	20	73.1	56	18	5	19	82	8	1	1	91.1	1.02	.212	2.21

Johan Santana

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SPLIT	G	IP	H	R	HR	BB	SO	W	L	Sv	P/GS	WHIP	BAA	ERA
Season	17	118.1	94	36	12	20	124	9	4	0	102.8	0.96	.216	2.59

New York Mets

Tom Glavine

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SPLIT	G	IP	H	R	HR	BB	SO	W	L	Sv	P/GS	WHIP	BAA	ERA
Season	17	107.2	101	42	15	33	75	11	2	0	102.0	1.24	.251	3.34

Pedro Martinez

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SPLIT	G	IP	H	R	HR	BB	SO	W	L	Sv	P/GS	WHIP	BAA	ERA
Season	16	101.2	74	44	14	28	111	7	4	0	98.5	1.00	.202	3.45

Those were the top #1 and #2s named on the Dan Patrick show. I however, think that there is another big #1 and #2 starting pitcher combo that has been huge for their team this year, and their numbers compare very evenly with the above named combos (with the exception of the Twins, but they were stupid and waited too long to put Liriano in the rotation).

Cincinnati Reds

Bronson Arroyo

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SPLIT	G	IP	H	R	HR	BB	SO	W	L	Sv	P/GS	WHIP	BAA	ERA
Season	17	118.2	107	38	12	26	89	9	4	0	109.9	1.12	.239	2.58

Aaron Harang

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SPLIT	G	IP	H	R	HR	BB	SO	W	L	Sv	P/GS	WHIP	BAA	ERA
Season	17	112.1	113	52	11	28	109	9	5	0	107.8	1.26	.267	3.45

The Reds have one of the five best top of the rotation #1 and #2 combos this year, yet no mention of them in the conversation. These two could be the cornerstone of this starting rotation for years, and make it a very good rotation. I think Arroyo and Harang have been the difference on this team between contender and cellar dweller this year. How huge they've been to this team's success is easy to see, yet they still get no love in the media. Shame.

Matt700wlw · 06-30-2006, 04:36 PM

It still looks weird seeing the Reds, pitching, top, and best in the same sentence.

ochre · 06-30-2006, 04:42 PM

it's great, but as good as the top has been, the middle and bottom will jump up and bite you regularly.

CTA513 · 06-30-2006, 04:46 PM

Santana and Liriano...

BuckeyeRedleg · 06-30-2006, 04:54 PM

You gotta love 109 K's in 112 IP for Harang.

Stud.

vaticanplum · 06-30-2006, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CTA513

Santana and Liriano...

They are scary good, aren't they?

BoilerBC11 · 06-30-2006, 06:11 PM

And the best thing about this, is that our GM had something to do with finding them...lets just hope he can continue this trend for us...

OnBaseMachine · 06-30-2006, 06:18 PM

Santana and Liriano.

Liriano will be the best pitcher in baseball for the next decade.

MWM · 06-30-2006, 06:26 PM

Wow!. Beckett has a WHIP of 1.18, but an ERA of 4.64. Don't see that very often.

OnBaseMachine · 06-30-2006, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MWM

Wow!. Beckett has a WHIP of 1.18, but an ERA of 4.64. Don't see that very often.

The more shocking stat to me was the 20 HR allowed in 97 innings.

Redhook · 06-30-2006, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine

Santana and Liriano.

Liriano will be the best pitcher in baseball for the next decade.

If he's not the best, he'll probably be second best behind Santana. What a combo!

blumj · 07-02-2006, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnBaseMachine

The more shocking stat to me was the 20 HR allowed in 97 innings.

How else do you get that ERA from that WHIP, right?

06-30-2006, 04:42 PM	#3
ochre Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,266	Re: Best #1 and #2 starting pitching combos in the majors it's great, but as good as the top has been, the middle and bottom will jump up and bite you regularly. __________________ 4009

06-30-2006, 04:46 PM	#4
CTA513 Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 10,703	Re: Best #1 and #2 starting pitching combos in the majors Santana and Liriano...

06-30-2006, 04:54 PM	#5
BuckeyeRedleg Will post for food Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Dublin, OH Posts: 5,127	Re: Best #1 and #2 starting pitching combos in the majors You gotta love 109 K's in 112 IP for Harang. Stud.

06-30-2006, 06:11 PM	#7
BoilerBC11 Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 53	Re: Best #1 and #2 starting pitching combos in the majors And the best thing about this, is that our GM had something to do with finding them...lets just hope he can continue this trend for us...

06-30-2006, 06:18 PM	#8
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,692	Re: Best #1 and #2 starting pitching combos in the majors Santana and Liriano. Liriano will be the best pitcher in baseball for the next decade. __________________ I miss Adam Dunn.

06-30-2006, 04:34 PM	#1
savafan Maple SERP Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 17,486	Best #1 and #2 starting pitching combos in the majors They were talking about this on the Dan Patrick show yesterday, and mentioned the following as the best #1 and #2 starter combos this season. Detroit Tigers Kenny Rogers Code: SPLIT G IP H R HR BB SO W L Sv P/GS WHIP BAA ERA Season 16 104.2 94 43 12 25 59 10 3 0 96.7 1.14 .243 3.44 Justin Verlander Code: SPLIT G IP H R HR BB SO W L Sv P/GS WHIP BAA ERA Season 16 103.2 94 38 11 31 65 10 4 0 98.3 1.21 .248 3.13 Boston Red Sox Josh Beckett Code: SPLIT G IP H R HR BB SO W L Sv P/GS WHIP BAA ERA Season 16 97.0 83 55 20 31 82 10 3 0 97.8 1.18 .226 4.64 Curt Schilling Code: SPLIT G IP H R HR BB SO W L Sv P/GS WHIP BAA ERA Season 17 114.1 110 45 15 14 102 10 2 0 107.2 1.08 .253 3.54 Minnesota Twins Francisco Liriano Code: SPLIT G IP H R HR BB SO W L Sv P/GS WHIP BAA ERA Season 20 73.1 56 18 5 19 82 8 1 1 91.1 1.02 .212 2.21 Johan Santana Code: SPLIT G IP H R HR BB SO W L Sv P/GS WHIP BAA ERA Season 17 118.1 94 36 12 20 124 9 4 0 102.8 0.96 .216 2.59 New York Mets Tom Glavine Code: SPLIT G IP H R HR BB SO W L Sv P/GS WHIP BAA ERA Season 17 107.2 101 42 15 33 75 11 2 0 102.0 1.24 .251 3.34 Pedro Martinez Code: SPLIT G IP H R HR BB SO W L Sv P/GS WHIP BAA ERA Season 16 101.2 74 44 14 28 111 7 4 0 98.5 1.00 .202 3.45 Those were the top #1 and #2s named on the Dan Patrick show. I however, think that there is another big #1 and #2 starting pitcher combo that has been huge for their team this year, and their numbers compare very evenly with the above named combos (with the exception of the Twins, but they were stupid and waited too long to put Liriano in the rotation). Cincinnati Reds Bronson Arroyo Code: SPLIT G IP H R HR BB SO W L Sv P/GS WHIP BAA ERA Season 17 118.2 107 38 12 26 89 9 4 0 109.9 1.12 .239 2.58 Aaron Harang Code: SPLIT G IP H R HR BB SO W L Sv P/GS WHIP BAA ERA Season 17 112.1 113 52 11 28 109 9 5 0 107.8 1.26 .267 3.45 The Reds have one of the five best top of the rotation #1 and #2 combos this year, yet no mention of them in the conversation. These two could be the cornerstone of this starting rotation for years, and make it a very good rotation. I think Arroyo and Harang have been the difference on this team between contender and cellar dweller this year. How huge they've been to this team's success is easy to see, yet they still get no love in the media. Shame. __________________ This is the Cal Ripkin Jr. of typos. If you ask me to join your fantasy baseball league and I select Legolas in the first round, don't be angry at me. It's not my fault I've read up on the players and you haven't.

06-30-2006, 04:36 PM	#2
Matt700wlw Making sense of it all Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 26,149	Re: Best #1 and #2 starting pitching combos in the majors It still looks weird seeing the Reds, pitching, top, and best in the same sentence. __________________ An excited shade of Red

06-30-2006, 06:26 PM	#9
MWM Pre-tty, pre-tty good!! Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,196	Re: Best #1 and #2 starting pitching combos in the majors Wow!. Beckett has a WHIP of 1.18, but an ERA of 4.64. Don't see that very often. __________________ Grape works as a soda. Sort of as a gum. I wonder why it doesn't work as a pie. Grape pie? There's no grape pie. - Larry David

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