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07-05-2006, 10:19 AM

Well I just got the token MLB email about voting in the last two all stars and Griffey is not a candidate. This stinks! Of course there is another Met (Wagner) and Garciaparra.......I'm fed up with the whole All Star process, game, etc. Griffey should most certainly be on this final ballet and the fact that he is not really burns me up.

redsfan30 · 07-05-2006, 10:21 AM

I'm as big a Griffey fan as there is on this board, but I don't think he deserves to be on the final balot.

Plus, I doubt he would go if he wasn't voted in as a starter. I'm guessing his pride would make him decline an offer to be a reserve.

Red Leader · 07-05-2006, 10:24 AM

Griffey, who missed some games earlier this season, should not be on the final ballot, IMO. All of the players on the final NL ballot are more deserving than Griffey, again my opinion.

I think a little rest would be better for him anyway.

NJReds · 07-05-2006, 10:29 AM

If the All-Star Game "really counts" (as Capt. Bud likes to say) then I'm not sure the fans should have any say whatsoever. And if it "really counts" then each team shouldn't have to have a representative -- it should be the best 25 players.

Danny Serafini · 07-05-2006, 10:29 AM

The whole 30th man ballot is ridiculous. Just name the team already. You've already given fans the vote for starters, do we really need to drag this out any further?

crazybob60 · 07-05-2006, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by NJReds

If the All-Star Game "really counts" (as Capt. Bud likes to say) then I'm not sure the fans should have any say whatsoever. And if it "really counts" then each team shouldn't have to have a representative -- it should be the best 25 players.

If that was the case the manager picked them, you know that it would probably be all White Sox if Guillen was the coach for the AL team...

I can't believe he said he would add Crede as the next available player for a hurt one even if it was a pitcher. Has anybody heard if Schilling or (who was the ommitted guy that had like 10 wins in the AL besides Schilling?) has voiced their opinion about this and all? And Buehrle making it ahead of Schilling and likes...pfft!!!!

dabvu2498 · 07-05-2006, 11:05 AM

Mussina is the guy you're thinking of that Ozzie omitted...

Schilling was somewhat disappointed, but did not "over" react:
http://www.boston.com/sports/basebal...o_starry_eyed/

crazybob60 · 07-05-2006, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dabvu2498

Mussina is the guy you're thinking of that Ozzie omitted...

Schilling was somewhat disappointed, but did not "over" react:
http://www.boston.com/sports/basebal...o_starry_eyed/

Yes, that is it...thanks for the link also.
I don't know how I forgot about the Moose, heck he is on all four of my fantasy teams, just a slow and tiring day today I guess.

Joseph · 07-05-2006, 11:09 AM

I won't vote in this since there are no additional reds on it.

blumj · 07-05-2006, 11:09 AM

Schilling himself voted for Halladay, Santana, Mussina, Kazmir, and Verlander. The 10 game winners who didn't make the roster in the AL are Verlander, Schilling, Beckett, and Garcia, but Verlander is the only one of that group with an ERA below 3.50. You might be thinking of Liriano, who's 9-1 with a ridiculous 1.99 ERA, but he's far behind the others in IP, since he's only started 9 games.

crazybob60 · 07-05-2006, 11:12 AM

Imagine just what Liriano's record and numbers would be if he would have started from the beginning of the season?

dougdirt · 07-05-2006, 11:58 AM

I had to vote for Liriano. There is no reason at all that Ozzie passed on the pitcher who leads his league in ERA by over half a point. If Liriano is not an All-Star, they shouldnt play the game.

Jpup · 07-05-2006, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazybob60

Imagine just what Liriano's record and numbers would be if he would have started from the beginning of the season?

Probably not all that much better since Minnesota offense just woke up in the last month. He pitched a bit out of the pen and did great at that as well. He's not 1.99 ERA good, but he is as good as any I have seen in a while. I wouldn't yet put him into the elite ranks of Johan Santana, but he's Dontrelle Willis from about 2 years ago. He's only going to get better as long as he isn't overworked and continues to pitch in the same rotation as Santana.

RedsManRick · 07-05-2006, 12:03 PM

Junior has an .848 OPS and 50 RBI

Kearns has an .854 OPS and 49 RBI.

Yes, I know there's an AB difference. My point remains...

redram · 07-05-2006, 12:04 PM

I think Phillips is the one who got screwed here. He deserves to be on this ballot as much as anyone. He is having a GREAT year and without him the Reds would not be anywhere near as good as they are right now

07-05-2006, 10:19 AM	#1
phcaptjim Guest Posts: n/a	Vote in last 2 all stars?! Well I just got the token MLB email about voting in the last two all stars and Griffey is not a candidate. This stinks! Of course there is another Met (Wagner) and Garciaparra.......I'm fed up with the whole All Star process, game, etc. Griffey should most certainly be on this final ballet and the fact that he is not really burns me up.

07-05-2006, 10:21 AM	#2
redsfan30 Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,545	Re: Vote in last 2 all stars?! I'm as big a Griffey fan as there is on this board, but I don't think he deserves to be on the final balot. Plus, I doubt he would go if he wasn't voted in as a starter. I'm guessing his pride would make him decline an offer to be a reserve. __________________ "Strickland Propane... Taste the meat, not the heat." - Hank Hill

07-05-2006, 10:24 AM	#3
Red Leader Puffy's Daddy Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Centerville, OH Posts: 20,422	Re: Vote in last 2 all stars?! Griffey, who missed some games earlier this season, should not be on the final ballot, IMO. All of the players on the final NL ballot are more deserving than Griffey, again my opinion. I think a little rest would be better for him anyway. __________________ 'When I'm not longer rapping, I want to open up an ice cream parlor and call myself Scoop Dogg.' -Snoop on his retirement Your Mom is happy.

07-05-2006, 10:29 AM	#4
NJReds Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 5,408	Re: Vote in last 2 all stars?! If the All-Star Game "really counts" (as Capt. Bud likes to say) then I'm not sure the fans should have any say whatsoever. And if it "really counts" then each team shouldn't have to have a representative -- it should be the best 25 players.

07-05-2006, 10:29 AM	#5
Danny Serafini 15 game winner Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Sultanes de Monterrey Posts: 4,172	Re: Vote in last 2 all stars?! The whole 30th man ballot is ridiculous. Just name the team already. You've already given fans the vote for starters, do we really need to drag this out any further?

07-05-2006, 11:05 AM	#7
dabvu2498 Yay! Join Date: May 2006 Location: Middletown, Ohio Posts: 7,260	Re: Vote in last 2 all stars?! Mussina is the guy you're thinking of that Ozzie omitted... Schilling was somewhat disappointed, but did not "over" react: http://www.boston.com/sports/basebal...o_starry_eyed/ __________________ When all is said and done more is said than done.

07-05-2006, 11:09 AM	#9
Joseph Tired of talk. Win! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 8,121	Re: Vote in last 2 all stars?! I won't vote in this since there are no additional reds on it. __________________ Championships for MY teams in my lifetime: Cincinnati Reds - 75, 76, 90 Chicago Blackhawks - 10 University of Kentucky - 78, 96, 98, 12 Cincinnati Bengals - None Chicago Bulls - 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98

07-05-2006, 11:09 AM	#10
blumj Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,326	Re: Vote in last 2 all stars?! Schilling himself voted for Halladay, Santana, Mussina, Kazmir, and Verlander. The 10 game winners who didn't make the roster in the AL are Verlander, Schilling, Beckett, and Garcia, but Verlander is the only one of that group with an ERA below 3.50. You might be thinking of Liriano, who's 9-1 with a ridiculous 1.99 ERA, but he's far behind the others in IP, since he's only started 9 games.

07-05-2006, 11:12 AM	#11
crazybob60 Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Brownsville, KY Posts: 956	Re: Vote in last 2 all stars?! Imagine just what Liriano's record and numbers would be if he would have started from the beginning of the season?

07-05-2006, 11:58 AM	#12
dougdirt The Boss Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 30,646	Re: Vote in last 2 all stars?! I had to vote for Liriano. There is no reason at all that Ozzie passed on the pitcher who leads his league in ERA by over half a point. If Liriano is not an All-Star, they shouldnt play the game. __________________ www.redsminorleagues.com

07-05-2006, 12:03 PM	#14
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,905	Re: Vote in last 2 all stars?! Junior has an .848 OPS and 50 RBI Kearns has an .854 OPS and 49 RBI. Yes, I know there's an AB difference. My point remains... __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

07-05-2006, 12:04 PM	#15
redram Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 263	Re: Vote in last 2 all stars?! I think Phillips is the one who got screwed here. He deserves to be on this ballot as much as anyone. He is having a GREAT year and without him the Reds would not be anywhere near as good as they are right now

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