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Wheelhouse · 07-18-2006, 10:33 PM

...but Kearns/Lopez 1 for 9 with another 8 men left on base 3 Ks and no RBI. Not to revel in those guys not playing well, but I think in the end Krivsky is going to come out looking a lot better than some people think.

HumnHilghtFreel · 07-18-2006, 10:39 PM

I've been paying attention to their numbers as well, and they haven't been any where near "good," but there's still a whole lot of time left for the players on each side of the deal to prove themselves.

TeamBoone · 07-19-2006, 11:00 PM

I think it's a bit unfair to attempt to judge them at this short juncture. After they settle in, they'll be fine.

BoomerSoonerRed · 07-20-2006, 12:50 AM

Yeah, I'm rooting for them to succeed in Washington. 'Cept when they play us, of course.

Fullboat · 07-20-2006, 01:56 AM

Don't know if Lopez or Kearns are good friends or not, but can
you imagine those two sitting in the Reds visiting dugout earlier this year thinking "Man I would sure hate playing for this Nats team and in this park".

Chip R · 07-20-2006, 09:10 AM

Speaking of old Reds players, I saw Aaron Boone hit his 5th HR of the year last night. I thought I was seeing things for a while but later on they showed it again and, sure enough, he only has 5 HRs this year. Now I do not necessarily think that a guy has to have 25 HRs to be a successful player but, my goodness has he slipped. How would you like to be paying $7M, $8M for that production? Also, this morning, the Enquirer had an article on Hatteberg and compared his stats to Sean Caseys. Case only has a little over 20 RBIs this year. Now I know the man has been hurt but Mr. Hat is only a part time player himself.

Steve4192 · 07-20-2006, 09:46 AM

Kearns+Lopez = 44 AB, 5 hits, 2 runs, 1 RBI, 3 errors, 469 OPS

Clayton = 14 AB, 6 hits, 2 runs, 4 RBI, 1 error, 1000 OPS

princeton · 07-20-2006, 09:56 AM

I've no doubt that Kearns and Lopez will hit for the Nats. If you want to base the value of the trade to the Reds upon how they hit, then you'll be disappointed.

5-1 is the key number for the Reds right now. That may not be because of the trade, but it does indicate that the Reds still might be in a contending position, and therefore fixing the bullpen this season and not waiting until next year was an important thing to do.

Redsnake · 07-20-2006, 10:07 AM

Add in Denorfia and the stats look like an advantage Reds.

Since the trade stats:
Total AB Hits Runs RBI SB Avg.
Lopez/Kearns 44 5 2 1 2 .113

Deno/Clayton 32 10 2 6 2 .313

TeamBoone · 07-20-2006, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fullboat

Don't know if Lopez or Kearns are good friends or not, but can
you imagine those two sitting in the Reds visiting dugout earlier this year thinking "Man I would sure hate playing for this Nats team and in this park".

Ironically, they haven't even played at "home" yet!

REDREAD · 07-20-2006, 05:35 PM

Well, on the flip side, I don't think either of the relievers we've gotten has made a positive contribution yet. Although I might've missed an appearance.

Of course, that doesn't mean they won't or the trade sucks, but it's silly to justify the trade this early based on a few games.

maniem · 07-20-2006, 06:44 PM

I feel bad for Kearns, as I would like to see the guy succeed. I have a feeling that he might to continue to hit well, but his slugging will drop big time...I hope he ends up playing in hitter's park, playing in RFK will not help his value...

Shaggy Sanchez · 07-20-2006, 06:57 PM

Well to be fair if we are going to look at what Kearns and Lopez have done we might as well point this out.

Majewski 0-1 2ip 5er 22.50era

oneupper · 07-20-2006, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maniem

I feel bad for Kearns, as I would like to see the guy succeed. I have a feeling that he might to continue to hit well, but his slugging will drop big time...I hope he ends up playing in hitter's park, playing in RFK will not help his value...

Don't totally agree. AK gets a lot a SLG% from doubles down the lines. HRs are mostly right or pulled left. He lose some, but doubt it's Guillen-esque.

M2 · 07-20-2006, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by REDREAD

Well, on the flip side, I don't think either of the relievers we've gotten has made a positive contribution yet. Although I might've missed an appearance.

Of course, that doesn't mean they won't or the trade sucks, but it's silly to justify the trade this early based on a few games.

Amen.

07-18-2006, 10:33 PM	#1
Wheelhouse Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: New York Posts: 2,849	I'm not one to dwell on old Reds players... ...but Kearns/Lopez 1 for 9 with another 8 men left on base 3 Ks and no RBI. Not to revel in those guys not playing well, but I think in the end Krivsky is going to come out looking a lot better than some people think. __________________ "Don't trust any statistics you did not fake yourself."--Winston Churchill

07-18-2006, 10:39 PM	#2
HumnHilghtFreel Manliness Personified Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,690	Re: I'm not one to dwell on old Reds players... I've been paying attention to their numbers as well, and they haven't been any where near "good," but there's still a whole lot of time left for the players on each side of the deal to prove themselves.

07-19-2006, 11:00 PM	#3
TeamBoone "Let's Roll" Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 12,821	Re: I'm not one to dwell on old Reds players... I think it's a bit unfair to attempt to judge them at this short juncture. After they settle in, they'll be fine. __________________ "Enjoy this Reds fans, you are watching a legend grow up before your very eyes" ... DoogMinAmo on Adam Dunn Last edited by TeamBoone; 07-20-2006 at 04:38 PM.

07-20-2006, 12:50 AM	#4
BoomerSoonerRed I Still Miss Sean Casey Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Fort Smith, Ark. Posts: 103	Re: I'm not one to dwell on old Reds players... Yeah, I'm rooting for them to succeed in Washington. 'Cept when they play us, of course. __________________ "And this one belongs to the Reds."

07-20-2006, 01:56 AM	#5
Fullboat Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,182	Re: I'm not one to dwell on old Reds players... Don't know if Lopez or Kearns are good friends or not, but can you imagine those two sitting in the Reds visiting dugout earlier this year thinking "Man I would sure hate playing for this Nats team and in this park". __________________ The Hunt for a Reds October.

07-20-2006, 09:10 AM	#6
Chip R Rally Onion! Join Date: May 2000 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 33,221	Re: I'm not one to dwell on old Reds players... Speaking of old Reds players, I saw Aaron Boone hit his 5th HR of the year last night. I thought I was seeing things for a while but later on they showed it again and, sure enough, he only has 5 HRs this year. Now I do not necessarily think that a guy has to have 25 HRs to be a successful player but, my goodness has he slipped. How would you like to be paying $7M, $8M for that production? Also, this morning, the Enquirer had an article on Hatteberg and compared his stats to Sean Caseys. Case only has a little over 20 RBIs this year. Now I know the man has been hurt but Mr. Hat is only a part time player himself. __________________ The Rally Onion wants 150 fans before Opening Day. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rally-...24872650873160

07-20-2006, 09:46 AM	#7
Steve4192 Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Posts: 4,071	Re: I'm not one to dwell on old Reds players... Kearns+Lopez = 44 AB, 5 hits, 2 runs, 1 RBI, 3 errors, 469 OPS Clayton = 14 AB, 6 hits, 2 runs, 4 RBI, 1 error, 1000 OPS

07-20-2006, 09:56 AM	#8
princeton Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: princeton, nj Posts: 9,482	Re: I'm not one to dwell on old Reds players... I've no doubt that Kearns and Lopez will hit for the Nats. If you want to base the value of the trade to the Reds upon how they hit, then you'll be disappointed. 5-1 is the key number for the Reds right now. That may not be because of the trade, but it does indicate that the Reds still might be in a contending position, and therefore fixing the bullpen this season and not waiting until next year was an important thing to do.

07-20-2006, 10:07 AM	#9
Redsnake Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 389	Re: I'm not one to dwell on old Reds players... Add in Denorfia and the stats look like an advantage Reds. Since the trade stats: Total AB Hits Runs RBI SB Avg. Lopez/Kearns 44 5 2 1 2 .113 Deno/Clayton 32 10 2 6 2 .313

07-20-2006, 05:35 PM	#11
REDREAD Where's my chair? Join Date: Apr 2000 Posts: 19,790	Re: I'm not one to dwell on old Reds players... Well, on the flip side, I don't think either of the relievers we've gotten has made a positive contribution yet. Although I might've missed an appearance. Of course, that doesn't mean they won't or the trade sucks, but it's silly to justify the trade this early based on a few games. __________________ Thank you Walt and Bob for going for it in 2012 AND 2013! Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!

07-20-2006, 06:44 PM	#12
maniem Marty Moose!! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Carmel, IN Posts: 194	Re: I'm not one to dwell on old Reds players... I feel bad for Kearns, as I would like to see the guy succeed. I have a feeling that he might to continue to hit well, but his slugging will drop big time...I hope he ends up playing in hitter's park, playing in RFK will not help his value...

07-20-2006, 06:57 PM	#13
Shaggy Sanchez Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Northern Ky Posts: 440	Re: I'm not one to dwell on old Reds players... Well to be fair if we are going to look at what Kearns and Lopez have done we might as well point this out. Majewski 0-1 2ip 5er 22.50era

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