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bigdaddy · 07-27-2006, 08:11 AM

If Dunn bats second last night, I believe we would have scored more runs. He is seeing the baseball very well now.

Redhook · 07-27-2006, 08:23 AM

Freel
Phillips
Dunn
JR.
EE/RA
Hatte/RA
Ross
Clayton

That took me about 1 minute to type out. I don't the difficulty in finding a good, consistent lineup.

cincy09 · 07-27-2006, 08:51 AM

if he bats second he would get more at bats too. Last night he would have hit with two on and 0 outs in the 9th. (Theoretically)

RBA · 07-27-2006, 09:19 AM

I guess none of you guys are familiar with the butterfly theory?

Johnny Footstool · 07-27-2006, 09:23 AM

Dunn is absolutely awesome in the #2 slot. 78 ABs, .346 AVG, .420 OB, .641 SLG.

In the #3 slot, his OPS drops to a pedestrian .854.

HalMorrisRules · 07-27-2006, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Footstool

Dunn is absolutely awesome in the #2 slot. 78 ABs, .346 AVG, .420 OB, .641 SLG.

In the #3 slot, his OPS drops to a pedestrian .854.

But is it the slot or the fact that when Jr bats behind him he does better? My guess is, when Dunn has hit third, Griffey was out of the lineup the majority of the time. I think if you moved Dunn to the #3 slot and move Jr to the #4 slot it would have the same effect. It would also allow Dunn to bat with the chance of more runners being on base than he is seeing now in the #2 position.

BRM · 07-27-2006, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by HalMorrisRules

But is it the slot or the fact that when Jr bats behind him he does better? My guess is, when Dunn has hit third, Griffey was out of the lineup the majority of the time.

Given that, how much of Junior's could be related to hitting in front of Aurilia? Even with Aurilia's recent streak, teams would probably still rather face him than Junior. Maybe teams aren't giving in to Junior but he's not being patient and swinging at bad pitches.

Rob Dicken · 07-27-2006, 10:32 AM

If you bat Clayton below the 7 slot, he's going to moan about it, and as he has always showed, he gives up once that happens and bats terribly.

Probably the ideal batting order would be:

Freel
Phillips
Dunn
Griffey
EE
Hatte/RA
Clayton
Ross
Pitcher

redsfan30 · 07-27-2006, 10:33 AM

Right now, if they're going to leave Griffey in the 3 hole, they have to bat done 4th. Griffey needs protection in the worst sort of way.

As well as Dunn is hitting now, Junior would see much better pitches to hit now and that might be a way to jump start him.

BRM · 07-27-2006, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by redsfan30

Right now, if they're going to leave Griffey in the 3 hole, they have to bat done 4th. Griffey needs protection in the worst sort of way.

As well as Dunn is hitting now, Junior would see much better pitches to hit now and that might be a way to jump start him.

Then Dunn has no protection and he may struggle. Then again, maybe the result would simply be more walks for Adam and more RBI opps for RA and Hat.

redsfan30 · 07-27-2006, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BRM

Then Dunn has no protection and he may struggle. Then again, maybe the result would simply be more walks for Adam and more RBI opps for RA and Hat.

Dunn can still take a walk. They need to try anything and everything to get Junior going again.

RBA · 07-27-2006, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by redsfan30

Dunn can still take a walk. They need to try anything and everything to get Junior going again.

How about sending him to hypnotist?

redsfan30 · 07-27-2006, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RBA

How about sending him to hypnotist?

If it'll help get him going again, I'll pay the bill.

Johnny Footstool · 07-27-2006, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by HalMorrisRules

But is it the slot or the fact that when Jr bats behind him he does better? My guess is, when Dunn has hit third, Griffey was out of the lineup the majority of the time. I think if you moved Dunn to the #3 slot and move Jr to the #4 slot it would have the same effect. It would also allow Dunn to bat with the chance of more runners being on base than he is seeing now in the #2 position.

I think it has more to do with Dunn himself. He looks more aggressive in the #2 hole, and it's working. He's taking 4.08 Pitches per Plate Appearance as a 2-hitter vs. 4.26 in the #3 spot and 4.18 in the #4 spot. It could be the result of getting better pitches to hit, or it could be that he's jumping on hittable pitches early in the count instead of waiting for the perfect pitch to drive.

As for hitting with more runners on base, batting Dunn behind Phillips' .337 OBP will not be all that beneficial.

Stingray · 07-27-2006, 01:20 PM

I posted this in a different thread. I still think it is our best team/lineup for this year and beyound.

Play Hat/Aur platoon -1B, Freel 2B, Phillips - SS, EE - 3B, Dunn - LF, Deno - CF, Jr - RF, Hot hand - C every day except for occasional rests for these regulars. Best to win now AND for the future.

LINEUP:

Freel
Dunn
EE
Jr
Deno
Hat/Aur
Phillps
Hot Hand Catcher(Val only against RH pitchers)
Pitcher

07-27-2006, 08:11 AM	#1
bigdaddy Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mooresville, N.C. Posts: 29	Put Dunn back in 2nd batting slot If Dunn bats second last night, I believe we would have scored more runs. He is seeing the baseball very well now.

07-27-2006, 09:23 AM	#5
Johnny Footstool Churlish Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Olathe, KS Posts: 13,664	Re: Put Dunn back in 2nd batting slot Dunn is absolutely awesome in the #2 slot. 78 ABs, .346 AVG, .420 OB, .641 SLG. In the #3 slot, his OPS drops to a pedestrian .854. __________________ "I prefer books and movies where the conflict isn't of the extreme cannibal apocalypse variety I guess." Redsfaithful

07-27-2006, 10:32 AM	#8
Rob Dicken Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Aurora, Indiana Posts: 340	Re: Put Dunn back in 2nd batting slot If you bat Clayton below the 7 slot, he's going to moan about it, and as he has always showed, he gives up once that happens and bats terribly. Probably the ideal batting order would be: Freel Phillips Dunn Griffey EE Hatte/RA Clayton Ross Pitcher

07-27-2006, 10:33 AM	#9
redsfan30 Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,545	Re: Put Dunn back in 2nd batting slot Right now, if they're going to leave Griffey in the 3 hole, they have to bat done 4th. Griffey needs protection in the worst sort of way. As well as Dunn is hitting now, Junior would see much better pitches to hit now and that might be a way to jump start him. __________________ "Strickland Propane... Taste the meat, not the heat." - Hank Hill

07-27-2006, 01:20 PM	#15
Stingray Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 219	Re: Put Dunn back in 2nd batting slot I posted this in a different thread. I still think it is our best team/lineup for this year and beyound. Play Hat/Aur platoon -1B, Freel 2B, Phillips - SS, EE - 3B, Dunn - LF, Deno - CF, Jr - RF, Hot hand - C every day except for occasional rests for these regulars. Best to win now AND for the future. LINEUP: Freel Dunn EE Jr Deno Hat/Aur Phillps Hot Hand Catcher(Val only against RH pitchers) Pitcher

07-27-2006, 08:23 AM	#2
Redhook Miami Redhawks Join Date: May 2006 Location: Cincy Posts: 2,247	Re: Put Dunn back in 2nd batting slot Freel Phillips Dunn JR. EE/RA Hatte/RA Ross Clayton That took me about 1 minute to type out. I don't the difficulty in finding a good, consistent lineup. __________________ "....the two players I liked watching the most were Barry Larkin and Eric Davis. I was suitably entertained by their effortless skill that I didn't need them crashing into walls like a squirrel on a coke binge." - dsmith421 www.kylevoska.com - Golfer? Check out my blog for golf tips.

07-27-2006, 08:51 AM	#3
cincy09 Bada Bing Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Zanesvegas, OH Posts: 1,484	Re: Put Dunn back in 2nd batting slot if he bats second he would get more at bats too. Last night he would have hit with two on and 0 outs in the 9th. (Theoretically) __________________ 2006 Redszone Prospect Draft - Johnny Cueto 2007 Redszone Prospect Draft - Pedro Viola, Alexis Oliveras 2007 Redszone Mock Draft - 1st (27) Michael Burgess, Supp. (60) Wes Roemer, 2nd (92) Barry Enright, 3rd (122) Jonathan Bachanov 2009 Redszone Mock Draft - 1st (9) Shelby Miller, 2nd (58) Marc Krauss, 3rd (89) Daniel Fields Last edited by cincy09; 07-27-2006 at 11:39 AM.

07-27-2006, 09:19 AM	#4
RBA CELEBRATION TIME Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: San Marcos, CA Posts: 13,939	Re: Put Dunn back in 2nd batting slot I guess none of you guys are familiar with the butterfly theory? Last edited by RBA; 07-27-2006 at 11:19 AM.

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