Trade not the reason for slump - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

CaiGuy · 08-04-2006, 03:38 PM

While I don't really support the trade, I don't think that the loss of Kearns and Lopez is the reason that the entire lineup has turned into one big out machine. They have done nothing in Washington yet to suggest that they would be carrying the offense here.

Narron is the one responsible. The lineups that he runs out are usually poorly consructed, and he continues to play the wrong players, leaving more deserving players on the bench. starting Clayton and Aurillia while Edwin and Deno when there are reasonable ways to get at least one of them in is hurting the offense.

While the line-up is obviously worse, the offense is not as bad as the last several games suggest.

It also doesn't help that Dunn and Griff are both slumping now. If they can starting hitting like they usually do, Clayton gets less PT, and if Narron starts putting the best possible starting line-up out there (the biggest if), they could still have an above average offense.

This wouldn't look bad at all (courtesy of RedsManRick i think):
Freel
Hatteberg
Dunn
EE
Junior
Aurilia
Phillips
Ross

fearofpopvol1 · 08-04-2006, 07:10 PM

It looks like a good lineup, but not realistic. Phillips would have to move to SS or Aurilia would have to play SS. Neither will happen this season.

Redsfan08 · 08-04-2006, 08:24 PM

the reason for the slump is jerry narron he cant manage a game

MaineRed · 08-04-2006, 08:31 PM

Edwin is in there tonight and thanks to him it is 2-0. Braves.

But Narron will be blamed by the masses.

Redsfan08 · 08-04-2006, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MaineRed

Edwin is in there tonight and thanks to him it is 2-0. Braves.

But Narron will be blamed by the masses.

who started at 3b the other five gms we lost exactly aurillia it is narron why we cant win he obviously dosent know how to get a good team chemistry going.

redsmetz · 08-04-2006, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Redsfan08

the reason for the slump is jerry narron he cant manage a game

Jerry Narron only swings a bat during fielding practice. He doesn't go up to the plate for anyone. Everyone of our players is a professional and the line-up isn't the reason they're not hitting.

TeamBoone · 08-04-2006, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MaineRed

Edwin is in there tonight and thanks to him it is 2-0. Braves.

But Narron will be blamed by the masses.

How about thanks to Aurilia.

Yeah, the throw was a bit off, but very catchable at 1B.

realistic · 08-04-2006, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MaineRed

Edwin is in there tonight and thanks to him it is 2-0. Braves.

But Narron will be blamed by the masses.

Is true, his defense is why hes on the bench. Its too risky and his bat is not good enough to compensate. Hopefully this winter he can improve his glove.

BOO !! Bad defensive third baseman.
HOORAY !! Winter ball

TeamBoone · 08-05-2006, 01:02 AM

His throw wasn't that far off. It was catchable.

jimbo · 08-05-2006, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TeamBoone

His throw wasn't that far off. It was catchable.

It may have been "catchable," but it was an absolute horrible throw. He basically lobbed it to first and looked timid doing it.

Falls City Beer · 08-05-2006, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by MaineRed

Edwin is in there tonight and thanks to him it is 2-0. Braves.

But Narron will be blamed by the masses.

I liked that two-run double by Edwin. I liked it a lot. Gave the Reds their first lead in a game in nearly a week.

Johnny Footstool · 08-05-2006, 01:21 AM

Funny how people were quick to claim the trade was responsible for the Reds' post-All Star winning streak. Now that the team has hit a slump, suddenly the trade isn't a factor.

RedsManRick · 08-05-2006, 01:23 AM

Timid comes from knowing that if you screw up the throw that you're likely to spend the next week on the bench. EE needs confidence and he's not gonna get it working with Bucky Dent.

Razor Shines · 08-05-2006, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RedsManRick

Timid comes from knowing that if you screw up the throw that you're likely to spend the next week on the bench. EE needs confidence and he's not gonna get it working with Bucky Dent.

I guess I understand this and I've been in favor of EE getting more playing time. But if he's going to be timid or afraid to make a play because he might not get to play, do you want that guy in the game in a big situation? What if he gets timid in a playoff game because he's afraid of letting down his team mates? I've always felt that good players have confidence in themselves even when other people don't. I think that confidence can come from mostly practice and yes getting more game time, but he's a big boy he should be able to find confidence in his abilities (which are great). I think EE is going to be a star in the MLB for a lot of years to come, but I don't think him making an error because he's afraid to lose playing time is a good argument for more playing time.
A two run double to give us the lead, however, is.

reds44 · 08-05-2006, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MaineRed

Edwin is in there tonight and thanks to him it is 2-0. Braves.

But Narron will be blamed by the masses.

Did Edwin give up the homer? No
If Rich was starting at 3B does he even get to that ball? No
Should Rich have picked that ball? Yes
Did Edwin have the go ahead 2 run double in the 6th? Yes

08-04-2006, 03:38 PM	#1
CaiGuy Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Redsland Posts: 828	Trade not the reason for slump While I don't really support the trade, I don't think that the loss of Kearns and Lopez is the reason that the entire lineup has turned into one big out machine. They have done nothing in Washington yet to suggest that they would be carrying the offense here. Narron is the one responsible. The lineups that he runs out are usually poorly consructed, and he continues to play the wrong players, leaving more deserving players on the bench. starting Clayton and Aurillia while Edwin and Deno when there are reasonable ways to get at least one of them in is hurting the offense. While the line-up is obviously worse, the offense is not as bad as the last several games suggest. It also doesn't help that Dunn and Griff are both slumping now. If they can starting hitting like they usually do, Clayton gets less PT, and if Narron starts putting the best possible starting line-up out there (the biggest if), they could still have an above average offense. This wouldn't look bad at all (courtesy of RedsManRick i think): Freel Hatteberg Dunn EE Junior Aurilia Phillips Ross __________________ Weathers' W/L when I am attending (2009): 0-1

08-04-2006, 07:10 PM	#2
fearofpopvol1 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 8,625	Re: Trade not the reason for slump It looks like a good lineup, but not realistic. Phillips would have to move to SS or Aurilia would have to play SS. Neither will happen this season.

08-04-2006, 08:24 PM	#3
Redsfan08 How u doin Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 236	Re: Trade not the reason for slump the reason for the slump is jerry narron he cant manage a game

08-04-2006, 08:31 PM	#4
MaineRed Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Maine Posts: 1,850	Re: Trade not the reason for slump Edwin is in there tonight and thanks to him it is 2-0. Braves. But Narron will be blamed by the masses.

08-05-2006, 01:02 AM	#9
TeamBoone "Let's Roll" Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 12,821	Re: Trade not the reason for slump His throw wasn't that far off. It was catchable. __________________ "Enjoy this Reds fans, you are watching a legend grow up before your very eyes" ... DoogMinAmo on Adam Dunn

08-05-2006, 01:21 AM	#12
Johnny Footstool Churlish Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Olathe, KS Posts: 13,663	Re: Trade not the reason for slump Funny how people were quick to claim the trade was responsible for the Reds' post-All Star winning streak. Now that the team has hit a slump, suddenly the trade isn't a factor. __________________ "I prefer books and movies where the conflict isn't of the extreme cannibal apocalypse variety I guess." Redsfaithful

08-05-2006, 01:23 AM	#13
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,910	Re: Trade not the reason for slump Timid comes from knowing that if you screw up the throw that you're likely to spend the next week on the bench. EE needs confidence and he's not gonna get it working with Bucky Dent. __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

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