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08-08-2006, 03:35 PM

from VIVA la Birdos

"according to bernie, elizardo ramirez was tipping his pitches, giving away his fastball; the cardinals had "a lengthy hitters meeting" about it before the game and applied the knowledge immediately. in the first inning they saw 11 strikes and swung at 8 of them -- and put the ball in play on all 8 swings. didn't just put it in play, either -- roped it, yanked it down the lines and over the wall. only one player (rolen) swung at an off-speed pitch; ev'yone else feasted on fastballs. beginning with the 2-0 pitch to duncan -- which resulted in a single to plate the game's first run -- the cardinals scored 5 runs in a span of 7 pitches.

way to go, scouts."

He was tipping his changeup a month ago

I want Verne and his extensive use of film and analysis back!!!
Tom Hume is just too laid back for a pitching staff of our limited caliber.

reds44 · 08-08-2006, 03:37 PM

I am actually kind of relieved. I'd rahter know he was tipping his pitches then thinking he just sucked.

jimbo · 08-08-2006, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by reds44

I am actually kind of relieved. I'd rahter know he was tipping his pitches then thinking he just sucked.

The disturbing part though is the fact that the Cardinals figured it out, and the Reds pitching coach and scouts did not.

Team Clark · 08-08-2006, 03:39 PM

I really didn't get to see the Lizard pitch last night but it does not surprise me at all. A lot of the Reds pitchers do it. I'd say 1/2 depending on who's on the DL. Coffey did it and has a tendency to still do it. Something so simple but so important.

Falls City Beer · 08-08-2006, 03:40 PM

I'm tired of these excuses--no one ever just "sucks." It's always, "he's hurt" or "he's tipping pitches."

Nonsense. He got whipped because he has pedestrian stuff.

Team Clark · 08-08-2006, 03:42 PM

[QUOTE=goGUEST!]from VIVA la Birdos

"way to go, scouts."

He was tipping his changeup a month ago
QUOTE]

Also funny that you say that. I was in my car when I heard the Reds were down 9-1. I laughed and said out loud. "Way to go Mike (Jorgensen) you nailed 'em again." Jorgensen is probably one of the top 3 Pro Scouts in the business. He doesn't miss a thing. If he left, Dave Duncan would throw himself on a sword.

Roy Tucker · 08-08-2006, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

He got whipped because he has pedestrian stuff.

You mean he walks a lot of batters?

Newman4 · 08-08-2006, 04:00 PM

Well, he could throw a breaking ball at some point. Even Chris noticed that he was apparently struck on establishing the fastball or something. I was ticked from the very start with Belliard hitting a double. Whoever is the Reds advance scouts in charge of watching Ronnie Belliard should graciously resign b/c you DO NOT throw him fastballs!!! He can't hit the breaking ball, but everytime I watch him play the Reds somebody tosses him a big, get ahead fastball that he hits early in the count.

NJReds · 08-08-2006, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy Tucker

You mean he walks a lot of batters?

I thought he was just BABIP unlucky, myself.

MaineRed · 08-08-2006, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Falls City Beer

I'm tired of these excuses--no one ever just "sucks." It's always, "he's hurt" or "he's tipping pitches."

Nonsense. He got whipped because he has pedestrian stuff.

Well they are called opinons and everyone is allowed to have them.

Could you please send your resume to the Reds so we can go 162-0 and get it over with.

BRM · 08-08-2006, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MaineRed

Well they are called opinons and everyone is allowed to have them.

Everyone except FCB apparently.

MaineRed · 08-08-2006, 04:05 PM

Oh yeah, nobody ever lets him say anything.

BRM · 08-08-2006, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MaineRed

Oh yeah, nobody ever lets him say anything.

He seems to be catching alot of flak lately. That's all I'm saying.

TOBTTReds · 08-08-2006, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MaineRed

Oh yeah, nobody ever lets him say anything.

Those aren't opinions. They are fact!

Always Red · 08-08-2006, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Team Clark

I really didn't get to see the Lizard pitch last night but it does not surprise me at all. A lot of the Reds pitchers do it. I'd say 1/2 depending on who's on the DL. Coffey did it and has a tendency to still do it. Something so simple but so important.

The Reds really need a pitching coach. Not so sure Hume can handle both BP coach and pitching coach roles.

Wonder if Vern Ruhle will be back next year? I'm sure the Reds are sensitive to holding his position for him, until he gets better. Maybe they can assign an "interim" pitching coach?

08-08-2006, 03:35 PM	#1
goGUEST! Guest Posts: n/a	EZ tipping pitches from VIVA la Birdos "according to bernie, elizardo ramirez was tipping his pitches, giving away his fastball; the cardinals had "a lengthy hitters meeting" about it before the game and applied the knowledge immediately. in the first inning they saw 11 strikes and swung at 8 of them -- and put the ball in play on all 8 swings. didn't just put it in play, either -- roped it, yanked it down the lines and over the wall. only one player (rolen) swung at an off-speed pitch; ev'yone else feasted on fastballs. beginning with the 2-0 pitch to duncan -- which resulted in a single to plate the game's first run -- the cardinals scored 5 runs in a span of 7 pitches. way to go, scouts." He was tipping his changeup a month ago I want Verne and his extensive use of film and analysis back!!! Tom Hume is just too laid back for a pitching staff of our limited caliber.

08-08-2006, 03:37 PM	#2
reds44 #TheReturn Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 23,668	Re: EZ tipping pitches I am actually kind of relieved. I'd rahter know he was tipping his pitches then thinking he just sucked.

08-08-2006, 03:40 PM	#5
Falls City Beer Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 24,098	Re: EZ tipping pitches I'm tired of these excuses--no one ever just "sucks." It's always, "he's hurt" or "he's tipping pitches." Nonsense. He got whipped because he has pedestrian stuff.

08-08-2006, 04:00 PM	#8
Newman4 Old Red Guard Reject Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,419	Re: EZ tipping pitches Well, he could throw a breaking ball at some point. Even Chris noticed that he was apparently struck on establishing the fastball or something. I was ticked from the very start with Belliard hitting a double. Whoever is the Reds advance scouts in charge of watching Ronnie Belliard should graciously resign b/c you DO NOT throw him fastballs!!! He can't hit the breaking ball, but everytime I watch him play the Reds somebody tosses him a big, get ahead fastball that he hits early in the count. __________________ If you ain't first, you're last! - Ricky Bobby

08-08-2006, 04:05 PM	#12
MaineRed Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Maine Posts: 1,850	Re: EZ tipping pitches Oh yeah, nobody ever lets him say anything.

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