Franklin must be moved into the rotation for EZ - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

5TimeWSChamps · 08-12-2006, 08:40 PM

After tonight's performance combined with his previous two starts in August, it's obvious Ramirez has hit a wall. Whether it be tipping pitches, poor location, or lack of confidence, EZ needs a break, we can't afford to be using the bullpen in the 2nd inning every game he pitches.

Dunner44 · 08-12-2006, 08:42 PM

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50078

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...t=50038&page=2

I agree. I think Franklin was already advised to be prepared to start, this would be the turning point.

(Mods, can we just get one mega thread? 3 threads discussing EZ today is enough)

BoCcc2832 · 08-12-2006, 08:42 PM

I agree. Franklin has looked like he's been in control of his stuff and Elizardo has completely fallen off the map. Maybe he needs to go back to AAA to re-identify his pitches and resume play here in September.

keeganbrick · 08-12-2006, 08:46 PM

How about this slower throwing version of Roger Clemens we got on the mound tonight?

3 IP, 0 H so far

Team Clark · 08-12-2006, 09:08 PM

I like Franklin and Lohse in the Rotation. Just not back to back. Same type of pitcher.

5TimeWSChamps · 08-12-2006, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Team Clark

I like Franklin and Lohse in the Rotation. Just not back to back. Same type of pitcher.

I agree with this assumption, however, if you put Milton between the two of them, what does that really do? Lohse has looked phenomenal in his two starts, pitching as a #5 pitcher should. As much as I feel like we NEED Bailey to come up in order to get into the playoffs, I'm not holding my breath on this one.

dieselman44 · 08-12-2006, 09:14 PM

Hell why not pitch this guy out there right now.

Team Clark · 08-12-2006, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 5TimeWSChamps

I agree with this assumption, however, if you put Milton between the two of them, what does that really do? Lohse has looked phenomenal in his two starts, pitching as a #5 pitcher should. As much as I feel like we NEED Bailey to come up in order to get into the playoffs, I'm not holding my breath on this one.

That's a really good question. I would want to see the pitching charts for all three guys for their last two appearances and take a closer look. Lohse in Between Arroyo and Harang, followed by Franklin then Milton I could live with. Of course you just can not do that and screw everyone up.

Team Clark · 08-12-2006, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dieselman44

Hell why not pitch this guy out there right now.

He's not looking too bad if you ask me. A ton of movement on his stuff.

Dunner44 · 08-12-2006, 09:23 PM

TC, in your opinion, how much is Michalak benefiting from the Phils not having a scouting report on him (or a hastily assembled one). I'm assuming that since he is a career AAA guy and because he was only added to the 40 today, that the phils hitters didn't scout him that much before the game.

Belisle kind of had the same thing going for him a few years back. He's do horribly in scheduled starts, but when he had to spot start, he'd pitch jems. Now is that lack or a scouting report or indicitive of how Belisle prepares, i don't know.

Team Clark · 08-12-2006, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunner44

TC, in your opinion, how much is Michalak benefiting from the Phils not having a scouting report on him (or a hastily assembled one). I'm assuming that since he is a career AAA guy and because he was only added to the 40 today, that the phils hitters didn't scout him that much before the game.

Belisle kind of had the same thing going for him a few years back. He's do horribly in scheduled starts, but when he had to spot start, he'd pitch jems. Now is that lack or a scouting report or indicitive of how Belisle prepares, i don't know.

I think it has a pretty big impact. I was waiting for a few Phillies hitters to see him for a second or third time before I made judgement. His best asset is his movement on his pitches. He does throw strikes. That's half the battle.

Belisle... I think a lot of his success is his mental state. When he spot starts he doesn't have to think about it.

5TimeWSChamps · 08-12-2006, 10:07 PM

Agreed, Belisle's game is all mental

dieselman44 · 08-12-2006, 10:25 PM

90% of the game is half mental

howyoufreelin · 08-12-2006, 10:26 PM

Do you think Michalak could be nearly this effective everytime he pitches or do you think once players have a chance to scout him, he'd be hammered?

2001MUgrad · 08-12-2006, 10:33 PM

I think its tough to use this start is a basis for taking EZ out of the rotation, last time out he was horrible, no doubt. But, I'm not sure what Narron expected today after last nights debacle.

08-12-2006, 08:40 PM	#1
5TimeWSChamps Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 715	Franklin must be moved into the rotation for EZ After tonight's performance combined with his previous two starts in August, it's obvious Ramirez has hit a wall. Whether it be tipping pitches, poor location, or lack of confidence, EZ needs a break, we can't afford to be using the bullpen in the 2nd inning every game he pitches.

08-12-2006, 08:42 PM	#2
Dunner44 Can he be stopped? Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Notre Dame Posts: 1,231	Re: Franklin must be moved into the rotation for EZ http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50078 http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...t=50038&page=2 I agree. I think Franklin was already advised to be prepared to start, this would be the turning point. (Mods, can we just get one mega thread? 3 threads discussing EZ today is enough) __________________ Tom Shearn... who knew? Reds reccord when I attend in 2007: 6-1

08-12-2006, 08:42 PM	#3
BoCcc2832 Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Hilliard, OH Posts: 533	Re: Franklin must be moved into the rotation for EZ I agree. Franklin has looked like he's been in control of his stuff and Elizardo has completely fallen off the map. Maybe he needs to go back to AAA to re-identify his pitches and resume play here in September. __________________ Reds record while I was in attendance in 2006: 7-2 Reds record while I was in attendance in 2007: 2-0 Reds record while I'm in attendance in 2008: 0-1 "I wish the stadium was filled up every night." - Bronson Arroyo, Cincinnati Enquirer - February 9, 2007

08-12-2006, 08:46 PM	#4
keeganbrick Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 1,439	Re: Franklin must be moved into the rotation for EZ How about this slower throwing version of Roger Clemens we got on the mound tonight? 3 IP, 0 H so far __________________ Cincinnati Reds VOTTO

08-12-2006, 09:14 PM	#7
dieselman44 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 49	Re: Franklin must be moved into the rotation for EZ Hell why not pitch this guy out there right now.

08-12-2006, 09:23 PM	#10
Dunner44 Can he be stopped? Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Notre Dame Posts: 1,231	Re: Franklin must be moved into the rotation for EZ TC, in your opinion, how much is Michalak benefiting from the Phils not having a scouting report on him (or a hastily assembled one). I'm assuming that since he is a career AAA guy and because he was only added to the 40 today, that the phils hitters didn't scout him that much before the game. Belisle kind of had the same thing going for him a few years back. He's do horribly in scheduled starts, but when he had to spot start, he'd pitch jems. Now is that lack or a scouting report or indicitive of how Belisle prepares, i don't know. __________________ Tom Shearn... who knew? Reds reccord when I attend in 2007: 6-1

08-12-2006, 10:07 PM	#12
5TimeWSChamps Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 715	Re: Franklin must be moved into the rotation for EZ Agreed, Belisle's game is all mental

08-12-2006, 10:25 PM	#13
dieselman44 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 49	Re: Franklin must be moved into the rotation for EZ 90% of the game is half mental

08-12-2006, 10:26 PM	#14
howyoufreelin Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Lebanon, OH Posts: 204	Re: Franklin must be moved into the rotation for EZ Do you think Michalak could be nearly this effective everytime he pitches or do you think once players have a chance to scout him, he'd be hammered? __________________ *R.I.P Farney 12/22/2012*

08-12-2006, 10:33 PM	#15
2001MUgrad Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: SE Of the NC Blue Ridge Mtns. Posts: 1,462	Re: Franklin must be moved into the rotation for EZ I think its tough to use this start is a basis for taking EZ out of the rotation, last time out he was horrible, no doubt. But, I'm not sure what Narron expected today after last nights debacle. __________________ I'm East of you. Be very very worried. Not quite OBX. But, be worried.

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