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Goten · 10-01-2006, 02:14 AM

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseba...-top-headlines

icehole3 · 10-01-2006, 08:07 AM

The question is should this diminish his star power? I think it should, Clemens IMO is the one player who has done the most unusual feat of all-time, becoming a top five pitcher in the league past the age of 40 years old. Call me a nutcase but this guy has all the ingredients of being a abuser.

mth123 · 10-01-2006, 08:25 AM

Sounds like the Orioles have a problem. Tejada, Gibbons, Roberts, the retired Segui. Also Grimsley, Palmeiro, and Sosa with Oriole ties. This is a team looking to add players and has the cash to take on contracts. Not sure I would want to deal with them. We may be getting a roid inflated set of Stats in return that will disappoint when the juicing stops.

Anyone still want to trade Dunn for Tejada?

cincinnati chili · 10-01-2006, 08:39 AM

Shazam. Wow. What great news for baseball right before the playoffs.

BuckeyeRed27 · 10-01-2006, 07:14 PM

I'm sorry I just don't believe this report. There is no evidence. You can't just go throwing out names like this.

macro · 10-01-2006, 07:34 PM

I'm too lazy to read the story, so I don't know if it's credible or not, but I have thought for many years that Clemens juiced. Look at him.

BuckeyeRed27 · 10-01-2006, 07:45 PM

See that's the thing the "Look at him" excuse isn't enough.
Don't get me wrong I'm not a huge Roger fan, but I think he just works hard and with his talent has been able to maintain a great career.

Now his whole career is being questioned and the only real evidence against him is "well look at him."

Degenerate39 · 10-01-2006, 07:46 PM

Clemens is part of the untouchables we will never know if he was on the juice or not.

dougflynn23 · 10-01-2006, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mth123

Anyone still want to trade Dunn for Tejada?

Yep. Would make that trade tomorrow. He had a very nice year at SS and remains one of the better clutch hitters in the game.

killuminati35 · 10-01-2006, 09:38 PM

I've always thought he (Clemens) was a juicer. I always thought it was wierd that the media never pointed this out. I mean, come on, look at his size. His chest looks like freaking King Kong.

Natty Redlocks · 10-01-2006, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dougflynn23

Yep. Would make that trade tomorrow. He had a very nice year at SS and remains one of the better clutch hitters in the game.

Me too. He wants to win badly and would likely take over the vacant leadership role in the clubhouse in a heartbeat. Wild speculation, I know, but it sounds good.

HumnHilghtFreel · 10-01-2006, 10:11 PM

A lot of the guys getting caught lately have been pitchers. If this turns out to be true and someone as high-profile as Clemens ends up caught, how much more will people start looking at pitchers as juicers as evenly as guys that smack a ton of home runs. I'm sure some people do already, but I don't think the majority does.

Goten · 10-01-2006, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckeyeRed27

See that's the thing the "Look at him" excuse isn't enough.
Don't get me wrong I'm not a huge Roger fan, but I think he just works hard and with his talent has been able to maintain a great career.

Now his whole career is being questioned and the only real evidence against him is "well look at him."

I agree that it's not proven clemens juiced, then again it isn't proven sosa juiced yet people want his records stripped from the record books.

That said, just because clemens may have used PED'S doesn't mean he doesn't work hard - they just allowed him to workout harder and longer.

Any way, this is an interesting tidbit from the article -

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According to the 20-page search warrant affidavit, signed by IRS Special Agent Jeff Novitzky, Grimsley told investigators he obtained amphetamines, anabolic steroids and human growth hormone from someone recommended to him by, a source said, former Yankees trainer Brian McNamee. The former team trainer is a personal strength coach for Clemens and Pettitte.

macro · 10-02-2006, 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckeyeRed27

See that's the thing the "Look at him" excuse isn't enough.
Don't get me wrong I'm not a huge Roger fan, but I think he just works hard and with his talent has been able to maintain a great career.

Now his whole career is being questioned and the only real evidence against him is "well look at him."

Justice doesn't always prevail in the court of public opinion.

Slyder · 10-03-2006, 01:41 PM

Reports now is that this author was misinformed. Grimsley said Pettitte and Clemens would never use performance enhancing drugs.

10-01-2006, 02:14 AM	#1
Goten Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 130	Clemens http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseba...-top-headlines

10-01-2006, 08:07 AM	#2
icehole3 Member Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 3,029	Re: Clemens The question is should this diminish his star power? I think it should, Clemens IMO is the one player who has done the most unusual feat of all-time, becoming a top five pitcher in the league past the age of 40 years old. Call me a nutcase but this guy has all the ingredients of being a abuser.

10-01-2006, 08:25 AM	#3
mth123 The Big Dog Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,694	Re: Clemens Sounds like the Orioles have a problem. Tejada, Gibbons, Roberts, the retired Segui. Also Grimsley, Palmeiro, and Sosa with Oriole ties. This is a team looking to add players and has the cash to take on contracts. Not sure I would want to deal with them. We may be getting a roid inflated set of Stats in return that will disappoint when the juicing stops. Anyone still want to trade Dunn for Tejada?

10-01-2006, 08:39 AM	#4
cincinnati chili post hype sleeper Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver Posts: 10,351	Re: Clemens Shazam. Wow. What great news for baseball right before the playoffs. __________________ On Dasher On Dancer On Prancer Ondrusek

10-01-2006, 07:14 PM	#5
BuckeyeRed27 Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Culver City, CA Posts: 2,666	Re: Clemens I'm sorry I just don't believe this report. There is no evidence. You can't just go throwing out names like this.

10-01-2006, 07:34 PM	#6
macro Just The Big Picture Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: The Bluegrass State Posts: 6,150	Re: Clemens I'm too lazy to read the story, so I don't know if it's credible or not, but I have thought for many years that Clemens juiced. Look at him. __________________ *Help stamp out, eliminate, and do away with redundancy.*

10-01-2006, 07:45 PM	#7
BuckeyeRed27 Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Culver City, CA Posts: 2,666	Re: Clemens See that's the thing the "Look at him" excuse isn't enough. Don't get me wrong I'm not a huge Roger fan, but I think he just works hard and with his talent has been able to maintain a great career. Now his whole career is being questioned and the only real evidence against him is "well look at him."

10-01-2006, 07:46 PM	#8
Degenerate39 Senor Votto Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 7,847	Re: Clemens Clemens is part of the untouchables we will never know if he was on the juice or not.

10-01-2006, 09:38 PM	#10
killuminati35 Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 187	Re: Clemens I've always thought he (Clemens) was a juicer. I always thought it was wierd that the media never pointed this out. I mean, come on, look at his size. His chest looks like freaking King Kong.

10-01-2006, 10:11 PM	#12
HumnHilghtFreel Manliness Personified Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,690	Re: Clemens A lot of the guys getting caught lately have been pitchers. If this turns out to be true and someone as high-profile as Clemens ends up caught, how much more will people start looking at pitchers as juicers as evenly as guys that smack a ton of home runs. I'm sure some people do already, but I don't think the majority does.

10-03-2006, 01:41 PM	#15
Slyder Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,062	Re: Clemens Reports now is that this author was misinformed. Grimsley said Pettitte and Clemens would never use performance enhancing drugs.

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