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cincy09 · 11-14-2006, 02:14 PM

According to cbssportsline.com
Brandon Webb has won the NL Cy Young Award

Quote:

NEW YORK -- Brandon Webb of the Arizona Diamondbacks won a wide-open race for the NL Cy Young Award, beating out San Diego closer Trevor Hoffman on Tuesday.

One of six pitchers who tied for the league lead with a pedestrian total of 16 wins, Webb received 15 of 32 first-place votes and 103 points in balloting by the Baseball Writers' Association of America. Hoffman, who broke the career saves record last season, got 12 first-place votes and 77 points.

St. Louis Cardinals ace Chris Carpenter, the 2005 Cy Young Award winner, finished third with two first-place votes and 63 points.

Houston's Roy Oswalt, who led the NL with a 2.98 ERA, got the other three first-place selections and came in fourth.

Webb, who went 16-8 with a 3.10 ERA, was listed second on seven ballots and third on seven others. No pitcher was included on every entry.
AP NEWS

Heath · 11-14-2006, 02:16 PM

Good for him. Couldn't agree more.

Not bad for the small town Kentucky kid.

cincy09 · 11-14-2006, 02:19 PM

He wasn't even being discussed this morning by the pundits. All the talk was about Carpenter and Hoffman.

RedsManRick · 11-14-2006, 02:21 PM

Wow, though he lost it after that rough September. Carpenter would've won it if he hadn't won last year, IMO. Still, well deserved. Guess Oswalt is next.

NJReds · 11-14-2006, 02:38 PM

Not even a single vote for Harang. What a joke. I didn't expect him to win, but he deserved some recognition.

Here's the final vote tally (link):

Brandon Webb (103)
Trevor Hoffman (77)
Chris Carpenter (63)
Roy Oswalt (31)
Carlos Zambrano (6)
Billy Wagner (4)
John Smoltz (3)
Takashi Saito (1)

RedsManRick · 11-14-2006, 02:51 PM

No votes for Arroyo or Harang... they certainly shouldn't have won. But wow.

Why in God's name was Hoffman so high? It's not a career achievement award... If you want a reliever -- give it to Saito.

Johnny Footstool · 11-14-2006, 02:53 PM

Saito gets a vote, but not Arroyo or Harang?

Must have been an LA writer.

TRF · 11-14-2006, 02:54 PM

Aaron Harang is the most underrated SP in the National League.

A closer look at Aaron's season stats.

tied for 1st in wins.
1st in strikeouts.
3rd in IP.
6 more walks than Webb.

You could make the argument that Harang was easily as good as Webb this past season. In a lot of areas he was better.

This isn't a homer post. I'm not saying Webb didn't deserve the award. But NO votes for Harang?

NJReds is right. that's a complete joke.
11th in ERA.

RedsManRick · 11-14-2006, 02:55 PM

I honestly think that most voters look at 4 things: Wins, Saves, ERA, Reputation. That's it.

redsupport · 11-14-2006, 02:57 PM

Did Joe Mays receive any support?

TOBTTReds · 11-14-2006, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedsManRick

Why in God's name was Hoffman so high? It's not a career achievement award... If you want a reliever -- give it to Saito.

Hoffman actually pitched better than his career norms.

2.14 era, 46/51 saves, 63 ip, 48 h, 50 k

But I agree Saito should have been much closer than TH.

Saito:

2.07, 24/26 saves, 78.1 ip, 48 h (same as TH but 15 more innings), 107 k's (rate much higher than TH)

Superdude · 11-14-2006, 03:01 PM

Who votes on this crap? Baseball awards are so screwed up. Hoffman at #2? He wasn't even the best reliever.

Tom Servo · 11-14-2006, 03:07 PM

Wagner and Saito got votes and Harang didn't? Seriously?

Geez...

Handofdeath · 11-14-2006, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRF

Aaron Harang is the most underrated SP in the National League.

A closer look at Aaron's season stats.

tied for 1st in wins.
1st in strikeouts.
3rd in IP.
6 more walks than Webb.

You could make the argument that Harang was easily as good as Webb this past season. In a lot of areas he was better.

This isn't a homer post. I'm not saying Webb didn't deserve the award. But NO votes for Harang?

NJReds is right. that's a complete joke.
11th in ERA.

Harang's ERA was just a little too high but he did deserve some consideration. And I'll say it, Webb didn't deserve the award. Oswalt or Carpenter did.

OldRed1966 · 11-14-2006, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Handofdeath

Harang's ERA was just a little too high but he did deserve some consideration. And I'll say it, Webb didn't deserve the award. Oswalt or Carpenter did.

Would you care to explain why you think Webb didn't deserve the award? He was the most deserving IMO.

11-14-2006, 02:19 PM	#3
cincy09 Bada Bing Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Zanesvegas, OH Posts: 1,484	Re: Webb wins Cy Young He wasn't even being discussed this morning by the pundits. All the talk was about Carpenter and Hoffman. __________________ 2006 Redszone Prospect Draft - Johnny Cueto 2007 Redszone Prospect Draft - Pedro Viola, Alexis Oliveras 2007 Redszone Mock Draft - 1st (27) Michael Burgess, Supp. (60) Wes Roemer, 2nd (92) Barry Enright, 3rd (122) Jonathan Bachanov 2009 Redszone Mock Draft - 1st (9) Shelby Miller, 2nd (58) Marc Krauss, 3rd (89) Daniel Fields

11-14-2006, 02:21 PM	#4
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,917	Re: Webb wins Cy Young Wow, though he lost it after that rough September. Carpenter would've won it if he hadn't won last year, IMO. Still, well deserved. Guess Oswalt is next. __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

11-14-2006, 02:38 PM	#5
NJReds Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 5,408	Re: Webb wins Cy Young Not even a single vote for Harang. What a joke. I didn't expect him to win, but he deserved some recognition. Here's the final vote tally (link): Brandon Webb (103) Trevor Hoffman (77) Chris Carpenter (63) Roy Oswalt (31) Carlos Zambrano (6) Billy Wagner (4) John Smoltz (3) Takashi Saito (1)

11-14-2006, 02:51 PM	#6
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,917	Re: Webb wins Cy Young No votes for Arroyo or Harang... they certainly shouldn't have won. But wow. Why in God's name was Hoffman so high? It's not a career achievement award... If you want a reliever -- give it to Saito. __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

11-14-2006, 02:53 PM	#7
Johnny Footstool Churlish Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Olathe, KS Posts: 13,664	Re: Webb wins Cy Young Saito gets a vote, but not Arroyo or Harang? Must have been an LA writer. __________________ "I prefer books and movies where the conflict isn't of the extreme cannibal apocalypse variety I guess." Redsfaithful

11-14-2006, 02:16 PM	#2
Heath This one's for you Edd Join Date: May 2005 Location: Dayton Area Posts: 8,471	Re: Webb wins Cy Young Good for him. Couldn't agree more. Not bad for the small town Kentucky kid. __________________ Some people play baseball. Baseball plays Jay Bruce.

11-14-2006, 02:54 PM	#8
TRF Vavasor Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Amarillo, TX Posts: 12,676	Re: Webb wins Cy Young Aaron Harang is the most underrated SP in the National League. A closer look at Aaron's season stats. tied for 1st in wins. 1st in strikeouts. 3rd in IP. 6 more walks than Webb. You could make the argument that Harang was easily as good as Webb this past season. In a lot of areas he was better. This isn't a homer post. I'm not saying Webb didn't deserve the award. But NO votes for Harang? NJReds is right. that's a complete joke. 11th in ERA. __________________ "don't end up with a grandson with a dog collar."

11-14-2006, 02:55 PM	#9
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,917	Re: Webb wins Cy Young I honestly think that most voters look at 4 things: Wins, Saves, ERA, Reputation. That's it. __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

11-14-2006, 02:57 PM	#10
redsupport Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,783	Re: Webb wins Cy Young Did Joe Mays receive any support?

11-14-2006, 03:01 PM	#12
Superdude Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,430	Re: Webb wins Cy Young Who votes on this crap? Baseball awards are so screwed up. Hoffman at #2? He wasn't even the best reliever.

11-14-2006, 03:07 PM	#13
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,402	Re: Webb wins Cy Young Wagner and Saito got votes and Harang didn't? Seriously? Geez...

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