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vance · 01-06-2007, 01:27 PM

This grew out of a discussion and poll on another forum on which I post. I wanted to get a more well-rounded view of how fans of other teams would vote. So, who was better: Clemens or Bob Gibson?

HumnHilghtFreel · 01-06-2007, 01:44 PM

I don't know a whole lot about Gibson, just the general.

However, I'd say that given the era that Clemens pitched in and dominated in would give him the edge.

Dracodave · 01-06-2007, 01:46 PM

Gibson, theres too many questions surronding Clemens. Steriods etc.

pedro · 01-06-2007, 01:48 PM

I'm going to have to go with Clemens. His stats appear to be a touch better than Gibson's.

Clemens

http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/clemero02.shtml

Gibson

http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/gibsobo01.shtml

jojo · 01-06-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dracodave

Gibson, theres too many questions surronding Clemens. Steriods etc.

That argument is one of my biggest pet peeves....wild speculation....

chettt · 01-06-2007, 02:49 PM

My vote has to go to Bob Gibson. Gibson was so dominate that the mound had to be lowered to give the batters a chance. I have seen Roger Clemens pitch in person three times. His record is 0-3. Maybe I'm just a jinx. The most dominate pitchers (in my opinion) were/are Bob Gibson, Sandy Koufax, JR Richards, Steve Carlton & Randy Johnson. Call me "Old School".

RANDY IN INDY · 01-06-2007, 03:11 PM

Gibson.

George Anderson · 01-06-2007, 03:27 PM

Hands down Clemens. Clemens is pitching in an era where offensive is the king. Also if I am not mistaken the mound was higher in Gibsons day which was a big advantage to the pitcher.

Put Clemens in the 1960's and they would have renamed the Cy Young award after him.

Blimpie · 01-06-2007, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jojo

That argument is one of my biggest pet peeves....wild speculation....

It might be wild speculation at this point, but it also might be true. All things equal, I go with The Rocket.

Chip R · 01-06-2007, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by George Anderson

Hands down Clemens. Clemens is pitching in an era where offensive is the king. Also if I am not mistaken the mound was higher in Gibsons day which was a big advantage to the pitcher.

Put Clemens in the 1960's and they would have renamed the Cy Young award after him.

You have a great point. I suggested on here a few months ago that maybe the great pitchers of the 60s were great mainly because of the higher mound and the larger strike zone. Notice that a lot of them were not so great before the 60s and faltered after the 60s. Of course that could be because they were in their primes dring the 60s. That's a great argument for Clemens. He did what he has done in a hitters era.

However, I go with Gibson because of his postseason record. Granted, Gibson has a smaller sample size to work with but Clemens has not always been dependable during the post season for whatever reason.

M2 · 01-06-2007, 04:40 PM

Lost in the fable of Bob Gibson is that he pitched two lackluster game sevens in the World Series. He won one and lost the other. Great pitcher, one of the best in history, but hardly an automatic win.

Clemens has the 8th-best career ERA+, just a hair behind Walter Johnson (Pedro Martinez absolutely owns that particular list). Gibson's tied for 42nd with an interesting cast of characters including Tom Seaver, Sparky Lyle, Kevin Brown, Curt Schilling and Barry Zito.

dfs · 01-06-2007, 05:02 PM

If your talking about who had the better baseball career, I think you have to look at the length of clemens career and give the nod to the big guy.

If your playing real baseball game that you want to win without a DH, the choice is easy
You want Gibson at the plate.
You want Gibson in your clubhouse.
The big white guy might be a slightly better pitcher, but Gibbie could pitch a little too.

dougdirt · 01-06-2007, 05:05 PM

M2, Pedro Martinez in his prime was the greatest pitcher in the history of baseball if you ask me. He was absolutely disgustingly better than everyone else for a while.

M2 · 01-06-2007, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dougdirt

M2, Pedro Martinez in his prime was the greatest pitcher in the history of baseball if you ask me. He was absolutely disgustingly better than everyone else for a while.

I tend to agree.

Falls City Beer · 01-06-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dougdirt

M2, Pedro Martinez in his prime was the greatest pitcher in the history of baseball if you ask me. He was absolutely disgustingly better than everyone else for a while.

Yep. I can't argue with this.

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01-06-2007, 01:27 PM	#1
vance Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 11	Who is the greater pitcher: Clemens or Gibson? This grew out of a discussion and poll on another forum on which I post. I wanted to get a more well-rounded view of how fans of other teams would vote. So, who was better: Clemens or Bob Gibson?

01-06-2007, 01:44 PM	#2
HumnHilghtFreel Manliness Personified Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,690	Re: Who is the greater pitcher: Clemens or Gibson? I don't know a whole lot about Gibson, just the general. However, I'd say that given the era that Clemens pitched in and dominated in would give him the edge.

01-06-2007, 01:46 PM	#3
Dracodave Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: We have pitchers now?! Posts: 1,017	Re: Who is the greater pitcher: Clemens or Gibson? Gibson, theres too many questions surronding Clemens. Steriods etc. __________________ "For every moment of triumph, for every instance of beauty, many souls must be trampled." -Hunter S. Thompson

01-06-2007, 01:48 PM	#4
pedro Please come again Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: portland, oregon Posts: 14,716	Re: Who is the greater pitcher: Clemens or Gibson? I'm going to have to go with Clemens. His stats appear to be a touch better than Gibson's. Clemens http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/clemero02.shtml Gibson http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/gibsobo01.shtml __________________ Get your nunchucks and the keys to your dad's car. I know where we can get a gun

01-06-2007, 02:49 PM	#6
chettt Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Greentown, IN Posts: 167	Re: Who is the greater pitcher: Clemens or Gibson? My vote has to go to Bob Gibson. Gibson was so dominate that the mound had to be lowered to give the batters a chance. I have seen Roger Clemens pitch in person three times. His record is 0-3. Maybe I'm just a jinx. The most dominate pitchers (in my opinion) were/are Bob Gibson, Sandy Koufax, JR Richards, Steve Carlton & Randy Johnson. Call me "Old School". Last edited by chettt; 01-06-2007 at 02:54 PM.

01-06-2007, 03:11 PM	#7
RANDY IN INDY Matt's Dad Join Date: May 2000 Location: Brownsburg, Indiana Posts: 14,502	Re: Who is the greater pitcher: Clemens or Gibson? Gibson. __________________ Talent is God Given: be humble. Fame is man given: be thankful. Conceit is self given: be careful. John Wooden

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George Anderson Beer is good!! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 4,117	Re: Who is the greater pitcher: Clemens or Gibson? Hands down Clemens. Clemens is pitching in an era where offensive is the king. Also if I am not mistaken the mound was higher in Gibsons day which was a big advantage to the pitcher. Put Clemens in the 1960's and they would have renamed the Cy Young award after him. __________________ "Boys, I'm one of those umpires that misses 'em every once in a while so if it's close, you'd better hit it." Cal Hubbard

01-06-2007, 04:40 PM	#11
M2 Posting in Dynarama Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Boston Posts: 26,668	Re: Who is the greater pitcher: Clemens or Gibson? Lost in the fable of Bob Gibson is that he pitched two lackluster game sevens in the World Series. He won one and lost the other. Great pitcher, one of the best in history, but hardly an automatic win. Clemens has the 8th-best career ERA+, just a hair behind Walter Johnson (Pedro Martinez absolutely owns that particular list). Gibson's tied for 42nd with an interesting cast of characters including Tom Seaver, Sparky Lyle, Kevin Brown, Curt Schilling and Barry Zito. __________________ Baseball isn't a magic trick ... it doesn't get spoiled if you figure out how it works. - gonelong I'm witchcrafting everybody.

01-06-2007, 05:02 PM	#12
dfs Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,419	Re: Who is the greater pitcher: Clemens or Gibson? If your talking about who had the better baseball career, I think you have to look at the length of clemens career and give the nod to the big guy. If your playing real baseball game that you want to win without a DH, the choice is easy You want Gibson at the plate. You want Gibson in your clubhouse. The big white guy might be a slightly better pitcher, but Gibbie could pitch a little too. __________________ "Even a bad day at the ballpark beats the snot out of most other good days. I'll take my scorecard and pencil and beer and hot dog and rage at the dips and cheer at the highs, but I'm not ever going to stop loving this game and this team and nobody will ever take that away from me." Roy Tucker October 2010

01-06-2007, 05:05 PM	#13
dougdirt The Boss Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 30,677	Re: Who is the greater pitcher: Clemens or Gibson? M2, Pedro Martinez in his prime was the greatest pitcher in the history of baseball if you ask me. He was absolutely disgustingly better than everyone else for a while. __________________ www.redsminorleagues.com

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