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jamess697 · 02-07-2007, 09:34 PM

I took a look around the league and was a little suprised by how our pitching staff stood up with theirs. We are loaded with possible number 5 starters which if on other teams could be 3-4-5 starters and we have a young stud in the minors waiting to shine by mid season.

Harang
Arroyo
Lohse
Milton
Saarlos
Belisle
Ramirez
Livingston

That is a quantity of pitchers that could push each other to suceed. Lohse is on a free agent year and he has all of the tools to be good. Milton is also on a free agent year and if he stays healthy he could be consistant and productive. I really like the Saarlos deal because he is another young and promising starter. I believe that this is the best rotation I have seen in Cincinnati for a long time!

jojo · 02-07-2007, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jamess697

We are loaded with possible number 5 starters which if on other teams could be 3-4-5 starters and we have a young stud in the minors waiting to shine by mid season.

Harang
Arroyo
Lohse
Milton
Saarlos
Belisle
Ramirez
Livingston

That is a quantity of pitchers that could push each other to suceed. Lohse is on a free agent year and he has all of the tools to be good. Milton is also on a free agent year and if he stays healthy he could be consistant and productive. I really like the Saarlos deal because he is another young and promising starter. I believe that this is the best rotation I have seen in Cincinnati for a long time!

ughhhhhh.....hope springs eternal this time of year.... I guess even turds help flowers to grow....

paulrichjr · 02-07-2007, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jojo

ughhhhhh.....hope springs eternal this time of year.... I guess even turds help flowers to grow....

I also am negative sometimes but honestly what the first poster said is true. We have a rotation that is the best that it has been in years. We have a potential number 1 starter knocking on the door. Everyone in the National League and many teams in the American League (including the Yanks) have 2 or 3 spots that are weak. Very few teams in either league have 2 starters that do what Harang and Arroyo did last year. I think saying positive things when there are positive things to talk about could be something new and refreshing on this board.

jmac · 02-07-2007, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jojo

ughhhhhh.....hope springs eternal this time of year.... I guess even turds help flowers to grow....

so would we be better if we had the Lilly's,Meche's, and William's of the world?
While our staff is not the bosox staff....it is comparable to most of the NL's.

Falls City Beer · 02-07-2007, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by paulrichjr

I also am negative sometimes but honestly what the first poster said is true. We have a rotation that is the best that it has been in years. We have a potential number 1 starter knocking on the door. Everyone in the National League and many teams in the American League (including the Yanks) have 2 or 3 spots that are weak. Very few teams in either league have 2 starters that do what Harang and Arroyo did last year. I think saying positive things when there are positive things to talk about could be something new and refreshing on this board.

Maybe, but how many teams have 3-5 spots as weak as the Reds'?

That to me is the signal question.

edabbs44 · 02-07-2007, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jmac

so would we be better if we had the Lilly's,Meche's, and William's of the world?
While our staff is not the bosox staff....is is comparable to most of the NL's.

Yes, the Reds would be better on the field, but not economically.

The wild card is that Cincy is historically not big players at the deadline. So this, with the exception of a Homer calling, will be their rotation. If they were battling the Mets for a WC spot in July, I'm sure the Mets would spend the money to get over the hump while Cincy goes bargain shopping.

hippie07 · 02-07-2007, 10:30 PM

Pitching in general is something that I think will be a strength for us this year - we have a decent rotation and I think we also have a decent bullpen (despite all the negativity on RZ). We have options this year!! I think there's room for optimism there.

edabbs44 · 02-07-2007, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by hippie07

Pitching in general is something that I think will be a strength for us this year - we have a decent rotation and I think we also have a decent bullpen (despite all the negativity on RZ). We have options this year!! I think there's room for optimism there.

Sorry...had to do it.

jojo · 02-07-2007, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by paulrichjr

I also am negative sometimes but honestly what the first poster said is true. We have a rotation that is the best that it has been in years. We have a potential number 1 starter knocking on the door. Everyone in the National League and many teams in the American League (including the Yanks) have 2 or 3 spots that are weak. Very few teams in either league have 2 starters that do what Harang and Arroyo did last year. I think saying positive things when there are positive things to talk about could be something new and refreshing on this board.

I'm all for positivity. But what's desirable about positivity that's not factually reasonable?

Falls City Beer · 02-07-2007, 10:36 PM

When you consider that Victor Santos reasonably could represent an upgrade over 3/5 of your current major league rotation, you have very, very serious problems.

shredda2000 · 02-07-2007, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jamess697

I took a look around the league and was a little suprised by how our pitching staff stood up with theirs. We are loaded with possible number 5 starters which if on other teams could be 3-4-5 starters and we have a young stud in the minors waiting to shine by mid season.

Harang
Arroyo
Lohse
Milton
Saarlos
Belisle
Ramirez
Livingston

That is a quantity of pitchers that could push each other to succeed. Lohse is on a free agent year and he has all of the tools to be good. Milton is also on a free agent year and if he stays healthy he could be consistant and productive. I really like the Saarlos deal because he is another young and promising starter. I believe that this is the best rotation I have seen in Cincinnati for a long time!

I believe you hit the nail on the head there. IMO, bringing in Arroyo last year sure helped Harang step up his game...competing for spots in the rotation and in the bullpen is a good thing!

P.S. I don't know why I am saying this, but I think that Saarloos will be a surprise this year. Maybe Arroyo Part Deux???

Eric_Davis · 02-08-2007, 12:43 AM

Wayne Krivsky isn't done this year, of course.

There's more to come.

There will definitely be some trading still at the A, and AA level, but I'm believing that there is at least one more move at the AAA/Major League level.

MartyFan · 02-08-2007, 07:59 AM

I am really happy about our pitching...like a few others have said it is the strongest it has been in years.

Lohse, Milton, Sarloos, Santos and others competing for the 3-5 and long relief spots isn't bad.

The other variable in all of this is the new Pitching Coach...Pole could be a difference maker in some of these guys game...he's done it before.

redsmetz · 02-08-2007, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MartyFan

I am really happy about our pitching...like a few others have said it is the strongest it has been in years.

Lohse, Milton, Sarloos, Santos and others competing for the 3-5 and long relief spots isn't bad.

The other variable in all of this is the new Pitching Coach...Pole could be a difference maker in some of these guys game...he's done it before.

I think all of this needs to be considered. And this isn't fantasy. I see no reason why we must believe that because some pitcher or another has struggled before means they must always struggle. Or why no pitcher can pitch better once they reach the Reds. These are human beings playing this game and to have reached the majors they must have a level of competitiveness that can benefit this club.

I expect much from our staff and I see no reason why they can't compete in the Central division. Will it be a cakewalk? Of course not! But we have several pitchers who can step up and perform at a higher level, regardless of what St. Pecota or the Alphabet Soup stat lines suggest may happen. I know that may be considered mocking, but we really don't leave in a world of predetermination. Human actors play these things out.

bucksfan2 · 02-08-2007, 08:53 AM

I agree that this is the best staff the reds have had in years. The depth of arms is also helpful. They won't have to go to the scrap pile to pick up another starter if someone gets injured (Joe Mays). Hopefully pitchers this year wont pitch when they are injured (Milton, EZ, etc.). I am expecting big things from Arroyo this year. He struggle at times to get a win last year but that doesn't mean he didn't pitch well.

You have both Harang and Arroyo who are a pretty good 1-2 punch. You have Lohse and Saarloos who have both pitched well at certain points in their career. Then you have a guy like Milton who has something to prove before he its fee agency. It is a pretty good rotation as is but you have the wild card in Baily hopefully coming up sometime this year. IF the reds can score enough runs this year it just may be a successful year.

02-07-2007, 09:34 PM	#1
jamess697 Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Huntington WV Posts: 97	The Reds Pitching Staff I took a look around the league and was a little suprised by how our pitching staff stood up with theirs. We are loaded with possible number 5 starters which if on other teams could be 3-4-5 starters and we have a young stud in the minors waiting to shine by mid season. Harang Arroyo Lohse Milton Saarlos Belisle Ramirez Livingston That is a quantity of pitchers that could push each other to suceed. Lohse is on a free agent year and he has all of the tools to be good. Milton is also on a free agent year and if he stays healthy he could be consistant and productive. I really like the Saarlos deal because he is another young and promising starter. I believe that this is the best rotation I have seen in Cincinnati for a long time!

02-07-2007, 10:30 PM	#7
hippie07 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 515	Re: The Reds Pitching Staff Pitching in general is something that I think will be a strength for us this year - we have a decent rotation and I think we also have a decent bullpen (despite all the negativity on RZ). We have options this year!! I think there's room for optimism there.

02-07-2007, 10:36 PM	#10
Falls City Beer Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 24,098	Re: The Reds Pitching Staff When you consider that Victor Santos reasonably could represent an upgrade over 3/5 of your current major league rotation, you have very, very serious problems.

02-08-2007, 12:43 AM	#12
Eric_Davis Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portland, Or Posts: 5,041	Re: The Reds Pitching Staff Wayne Krivsky isn't done this year, of course. There's more to come. There will definitely be some trading still at the A, and AA level, but I'm believing that there is at least one more move at the AAA/Major League level. __________________ Rob Neyer: "Any writer who says he'd be a better manager than the worst manager is either 1) lying (i.e. 'using poetic license') or 2) patently delusional. Which isn't to say managers don't do stupid things that you or I wouldn't."

02-08-2007, 07:59 AM	#13
MartyFan You're soaking in it! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 3,335	Re: The Reds Pitching Staff I am really happy about our pitching...like a few others have said it is the strongest it has been in years. Lohse, Milton, Sarloos, Santos and others competing for the 3-5 and long relief spots isn't bad. The other variable in all of this is the new Pitching Coach...Pole could be a difference maker in some of these guys game...he's done it before. __________________ "Sometimes, it's not the sexiest moves that put you over the top," Krivsky said. "It's a series of transactions that help you get there."

02-08-2007, 08:53 AM	#15
bucksfan2 Waitin til next year Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 9,618	Re: The Reds Pitching Staff I agree that this is the best staff the reds have had in years. The depth of arms is also helpful. They won't have to go to the scrap pile to pick up another starter if someone gets injured (Joe Mays). Hopefully pitchers this year wont pitch when they are injured (Milton, EZ, etc.). I am expecting big things from Arroyo this year. He struggle at times to get a win last year but that doesn't mean he didn't pitch well. You have both Harang and Arroyo who are a pretty good 1-2 punch. You have Lohse and Saarloos who have both pitched well at certain points in their career. Then you have a guy like Milton who has something to prove before he its fee agency. It is a pretty good rotation as is but you have the wild card in Baily hopefully coming up sometime this year. IF the reds can score enough runs this year it just may be a successful year.

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