Who could be the odd man out?

[KoryMac5]

With Harang and Arroyo locked into starting spots, where do the rest of the Reds shake out.

Bailey-hasn't pitched yet in ST may start year in AAA will see tomorrow
Livingston-soft tosser Brantley and Brennaman raved about him today
Lohse-hamstring injury could hinder his shot
Milton-what else can I say that hasn't already been said
Santos-looked good in two innings so far hasn't been effective in the past
Saarloos-looked good in two innings has started and relieved Soto and Hatte love his stuff
Lizard-can he make it back from injury

I got to feel that everybody's spot except for the top two is up for grabs, how are things going to shake out.

1.Harang
2.Arroyo
3.Saarloos
4.Milton
5.Livingston
Bailey gets midseason call up

[Cedric]

Holy hell that's a terrible rotation.

That's about all I can think of.

[guttle11]

I think it's going to take a lot more than injury to push Lohse out, provided he's healthy come Opening Day.

I think the guy who has to prove himself the most is Eric Milton. It's the last year of his deal, so if he blows up in camp, getting rid of him will be more than feasible.

[HokieRed]

1. Harang; 2. Arroyo; 3. Milton; 4. Lohse; 5. Saarloos. Livingston, Bailey, and Lizard at AAA, if Lizard still has options. Belisle in the pen if he makes the 25; I don't see Santos figuring, despite today.

[KoryMac5]

And when you think about it more than just the pitching is up in the air. Look at the current log jam in the outfield. Hopper, Deno, and Hamilton all fighting for AB's

[Redhook]

Originally Posted by Cedric

Holy hell that's a terrible rotation.

That's about all I can think of.

I actually think our rotation is pretty darn good. Harang and Arroyo are very good. Bailey will be up by Memorial Day or sooner. One of the 3 Milton, Lohse, or Saarloos should pitch well. And we seem to have a lot more options waiting around when/if some of those guys don't work out.

It's our bullpen that concerns me a lot more than the rotation.

[Marge'sMullet]

Originally Posted by KoryMac5

And when you think about it more than just the pitching is up in the air. Look at the current log jam in the outfield. Hopper, Deno, and Hamilton all fighting for AB's

I think it's a nobrainer. You go with Hamilton. I would try to trade Deno. I'm still hoping WK makes a trade before the start of the season.

[jmac]

Originally Posted by Redhook

I actually think our rotation is pretty darn good. Harang and Arroyo are very good. Bailey will be up by Memorial Day or sooner. One of the 3 Milton, Lohse, or Saarloos should pitch well.

Agreed.If you look at stl's and stros rotation...ours doesnt look too bad.

[jmac]

Originally Posted by Marge'sMullet

I think it's a nobrainer. You go with Hamilton. I would try to trade Deno. I'm still hoping WK makes a trade before the start of the season.

A trade seems more possible daily imo.
Deno seems to be pressing a whole lot. Almost like he is playing for a spot on roster (which now he is) rather than playing for RF/CF.

[KronoRed]

If I'm trading an OF it's Freel, to a majority of teams out there he's a starter, meaning he'll most likely bring the biggest return.

[cacollinsmba]

Originally Posted by KronoRed

If I'm trading an OF it's Freel, to a majority of teams out there he's a starter, meaning he'll most likely bring the biggest return.

I think you are right. My concern with the OF logjam is who leads off. If either Freel or Denorfia is traded, and say the remaining guy gets hurt, who leads off? Phillips didn't exactly excel in that role last year.

[TeamBoone]

Originally Posted by KoryMac5

Bailey-hasn't pitched yet in ST may start year in AAA will see tomorrow

Homer has pitched in one game, and he did quite well.

[Dracodave]

Quite honestly, this rotation..

Harrang
Arroyo
Loshe
Saarloos
Livingston

Doesn't sound half as bad as this one..

Harrang
Arroyo
Milton
Loshe
Saarlos

Atleast Bobby can learn on the job so to speak. He's not a flamethrow by anymeans but I think if he can keep that fastball/change up combo (See Tom G and Jamie Moyer even says Hi) he could be successful.

[5ToolPlaya]

I wish Deno would get a better shot but I think he'll be playing for someone else soon. Marlins?

[icehole3]

Originally Posted by KoryMac5

Bailey-hasn't pitched yet in ST may start year in AAA will see tomorrow
Livingston-soft tosser Brantley and Brennaman raved about him today
Lohse-hamstring injury could hinder his shot
Milton-what else can I say that hasn't already been said
Santos-looked good in two innings so far hasn't been effective in the past
Saarloos-looked good in two innings has started and relieved Soto and Hatte love his stuff
Lizard-can he make it back from injury

Bailey should be up by the all-star break, the more I think about it the more I would try to keep Bailey in the minors as long as possible.
Lohse...I would give this guy a whole year to either sink or swim, he's got the best stuff, Pole should be given the whole year to fix Lohse IMO
Livingston was waived that should count for something.
Milton is my most likely to be traded for a marginal minor leaguer IMO.
Santos...Brantley did have concerns about a guy throwing so hard and being that old not making it,"says he is a thrower not a pitcher"
Saarloos would get Milton's spot if he continues to get hammered or if he's trade or released.
Lizard is a guy I think will stick in the majors if he's not screwed over by Narron.
My sleeper is Wilson , if he gets his fastball up another notch, he knows what he's doing out there and has proved he can pitch in the launching pad (GAB)