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gobucks106 · 03-12-2007, 03:41 PM

What more does this guy have to prove. He finished strong last year, he had two good starts down the stretch last year. Pitched great in winter ball and worked hard all offseason. He's the first to go four strong innings this spring, Uncle Milty's outing yesterday does not qualify as a success, Matt went four innings one hit, one walk, three K's and lowered his spring ERA to 1.00
He belongs in the rotation period! I also think we need to seriously consider how to keep Rule 5 pick Jared Burton. This kid has been lights out his spring. Same with Salmon. Salmon at least has options we could start him off in triple AAA. Burton we lose if we don't make a deal for him and we don't keep him. He would be a nice complimate power arm option in the pen to go with Coffey. I'm all for veteran's like Hermanson and Lightenburg who have pitched well but at the risk of losing these young guys I say keep the youth and dump the old guys.

Matt700wlw · 03-12-2007, 03:44 PM

He has to prove he can stay healthy....however, so far...he's been outstanding

Tom Servo · 03-12-2007, 03:49 PM

I was hoping early on in the offseason that the Reds would non-tender Lohse and keep Belisle in the roation while adding a legit #3 guy. Things didn't turn out how I wanted them too.

I would still like to see Belisle in the rotation, but I also would like to see Saarloos get the chance too. Sure wish we could dump Milty...

icehole3 · 03-12-2007, 03:54 PM

He needs more seasoning, I still think they may go with Wilson for starers then whoever falls down he takes there spot, its a good situation to be in.

Always Red · 03-12-2007, 03:58 PM

The Reds are going to keep about 7 or 8 SP's; it's only a matter of time until guys start going down with injury.

Unfortunately for Belisle, he has an option remaining.

I wouldn't put it past the Reds to start Belisle out in AAA, prove his back is sound, and wait on Milton and Wilson to go down with injuries. Actually, my tone is wrong there- I think it's a good decision to stash guys with talent in AAA if they have options, and then you have depth when and if injuries occur.

I agree though, Belisle has pitched lights out this spring thus far.

jimbo · 03-12-2007, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt700wlw

He has to prove he can stay healthy....however, so far...he's been outstanding

I think this is the key with Belisle. His back problems have kept him from completing a full season healthy and maintaining any consistancy. I know from experience how back problems can come and go, I can only imagine how difficult it must be for a pitcher to deal with them.

Red Leader · 03-12-2007, 04:03 PM

I think the best rotation the Reds could go with would be:

1. Harang
2. Arroyo
3. Milton
4. Saarloos
5. Belisle

Obviously we're slightly RH with that rotation, and even moreso if Milton pitches like crap and we DFA him and call up Bailey, but I believe those are the 5 best starters.

roby · 03-12-2007, 04:03 PM

One bad thing that the reds do seemingly every spring is to take a couple of wash-ups north and let them pitch...blowing several games each before they finally decidse to cut them loose. I could list many examples, but you all could probably do that better. I am hoping that they don't do that this year. It might give them a better start out of the gate.

registerthis · 03-12-2007, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by icehole3

He needs more seasoning, I still think they may go with Wilson for starers then whoever falls down he takes there spot, its a good situation to be in.

Paul Wilson?

If he sees another regular season game for this team from anywhere but the dugout, this team is in a world of trouble.

RedLegSuperStar · 03-12-2007, 04:05 PM

Another reason why locking up Weathers, Stanton, and last years obtaining of Cormier kind of come back to kick you. I got to give it up to Burton, Belisle, Livingston, And Salmon.. these young guys are proving their value and making it very hard on the team not to keep them on the roster. Although Livingston and Salmon have options.. I think they would fill a better spot then Weathers, Stanton, or Cormier.

registerthis · 03-12-2007, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Leader

I think the best rotation the Reds could go with would be:

1. Harang
2. Arroyo
3. Milton
4. Saarloos
5. Belisle

Obviously we're slightly RH with that rotation, and even moreso if Milton pitches like crap and we DFA him and call up Bailey, but I believe those are the 5 best starters.

Personally, I would take out Milton and substitute with Lohse. Not that Lohse is infinitely better. But with Lohse, you at least have a chance to get a decent performance. With Milton, you know what you're going to get, and and ain't gonna be pretty.

Red Leader · 03-12-2007, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by registerthis

Personally, I would take out Milton and substitute with Lohse. Not that Lohse is infinitely better. But with Lohse, you at least have a chance to get a decent performance. With Milton, you know what you're going to get, and and ain't gonna be pretty.

Doh! I forgot Lohse. I knew I was forgetting someone.

With that being the case, I'd stick Saarloos in middle / long relief and put Lohse in his rotation spot. Saarloos would get spot starts if an injury hits and Bailey hasn't hit his stride yet, or if Milton pitches like I think he's going to. If Milton starts the year 1-3 or 2-2 with a 5.00 ERA or worse, I pull him from the rotation, DFA him, and put Saarloos in immediately.

The other option is to make Lohse your closer. I'm 50/50 on that.

Strikes Out Looking · 03-12-2007, 04:14 PM

The best rotation the Reds could go with does not contain Milton or Lohse.

1. Harang
2. Arroyo
3. Sarloos
4. Belisle
5. EZ

Milton and Lohse just plain scare me when they are on the mound. One never knows if you are getting Dr. Jekyll or Mr. Hyde. I'd rather not have either one of them around.

durl · 03-12-2007, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by registerthis

Paul Wilson?

If he sees another regular season game for this team from anywhere but the dugout, this team is in a world of trouble.

Are we sure that Wilson is really done? He pitched a good game back on the 10th. It's only one spring training game...still, I guess I'm still open to see if he can contribute.

pedro · 03-12-2007, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by durl

Are we sure that Wilson is really done? He pitched a good game back on the 10th. It's only one spring training game...still, I guess I'm still open to see if he can contribute.

apparently his fastball topped out that day at 84 MPH. I think it was more luck than anything else.

03-12-2007, 03:41 PM	#1
gobucks106 Reds1990 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 116	Matt Belisle 5th Starter! What more does this guy have to prove. He finished strong last year, he had two good starts down the stretch last year. Pitched great in winter ball and worked hard all offseason. He's the first to go four strong innings this spring, Uncle Milty's outing yesterday does not qualify as a success, Matt went four innings one hit, one walk, three K's and lowered his spring ERA to 1.00 He belongs in the rotation period! I also think we need to seriously consider how to keep Rule 5 pick Jared Burton. This kid has been lights out his spring. Same with Salmon. Salmon at least has options we could start him off in triple AAA. Burton we lose if we don't make a deal for him and we don't keep him. He would be a nice complimate power arm option in the pen to go with Coffey. I'm all for veteran's like Hermanson and Lightenburg who have pitched well but at the risk of losing these young guys I say keep the youth and dump the old guys.

03-12-2007, 03:44 PM	#2
Matt700wlw Making sense of it all Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 26,130	Re: Matt Belisle 5th Starter! He has to prove he can stay healthy....however, so far...he's been outstanding Last edited by Matt700wlw; 03-12-2007 at 03:48 PM.

03-12-2007, 03:54 PM	#4
icehole3 Member Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 3,027	Re: Matt Belisle 5th Starter! He needs more seasoning, I still think they may go with Wilson for starers then whoever falls down he takes there spot, its a good situation to be in.

03-12-2007, 03:58 PM	#5
Always Red nothing more than a fan Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,976	Re: Matt Belisle 5th Starter! The Reds are going to keep about 7 or 8 SP's; it's only a matter of time until guys start going down with injury. Unfortunately for Belisle, he has an option remaining. I wouldn't put it past the Reds to start Belisle out in AAA, prove his back is sound, and wait on Milton and Wilson to go down with injuries. Actually, my tone is wrong there- I think it's a good decision to stash guys with talent in AAA if they have options, and then you have depth when and if injuries occur. I agree though, Belisle has pitched lights out this spring thus far.

03-12-2007, 04:03 PM	#7
Red Leader Puffy's Daddy Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Centerville, OH Posts: 20,422	Re: Matt Belisle 5th Starter! I think the best rotation the Reds could go with would be: 1. Harang 2. Arroyo 3. Milton 4. Saarloos 5. Belisle Obviously we're slightly RH with that rotation, and even moreso if Milton pitches like crap and we DFA him and call up Bailey, but I believe those are the 5 best starters. __________________ 'When I'm not longer rapping, I want to open up an ice cream parlor and call myself Scoop Dogg.' -Snoop on his retirement Your Mom is happy.

03-12-2007, 03:49 PM	#3
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,400	Re: Matt Belisle 5th Starter! I was hoping early on in the offseason that the Reds would non-tender Lohse and keep Belisle in the roation while adding a legit #3 guy. Things didn't turn out how I wanted them too. I would still like to see Belisle in the rotation, but I also would like to see Saarloos get the chance too. Sure wish we could dump Milty... __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

03-12-2007, 04:03 PM	#8
roby Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 1,154	Re: Matt Belisle 5th Starter! One bad thing that the reds do seemingly every spring is to take a couple of wash-ups north and let them pitch...blowing several games each before they finally decidse to cut them loose. I could list many examples, but you all could probably do that better. I am hoping that they don't do that this year. It might give them a better start out of the gate.

03-12-2007, 04:05 PM	#10
RedLegSuperStar Greatness In The Making Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 4,078	Re: Matt Belisle 5th Starter! Another reason why locking up Weathers, Stanton, and last years obtaining of Cormier kind of come back to kick you. I got to give it up to Burton, Belisle, Livingston, And Salmon.. these young guys are proving their value and making it very hard on the team not to keep them on the roster. Although Livingston and Salmon have options.. I think they would fill a better spot then Weathers, Stanton, or Cormier.

03-12-2007, 04:14 PM	#13
Strikes Out Looking Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,266	Re: Matt Belisle 5th Starter! The best rotation the Reds could go with does not contain Milton or Lohse. 1. Harang 2. Arroyo 3. Sarloos 4. Belisle 5. EZ Milton and Lohse just plain scare me when they are on the mound. One never knows if you are getting Dr. Jekyll or Mr. Hyde. I'd rather not have either one of them around. __________________ The Future Is Now!

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