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TOBTTReds · 03-13-2007, 12:13 PM

I've been thinking a lot about the Cards new/weaker pitching staff. I looked at their spring numbers, and they are incredible.

Wainwright - 11.2 ip, 5 h, 0 r
Looper - 11 ip, 10 h, 1 r
Carpenter - 10.2 ip, 10 h, 3 r
Reyes - 5.2 ip, 1 h, 1 r, 4 k
Wells - 5 ip, 7 h, 0 r

This worries me slightly, though it is just spring and all are a sss (small sample size)

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/sta...s.jsp?c_id=stl

RedlegNation · 03-13-2007, 12:43 PM

Small sample size. I don't expect their rotation to be better than ours.

(I can't believe I just typed that!)

PuffyPig · 03-13-2007, 01:55 PM

If you look closely at their stats, they aren't striking out many, and they have been very BABIP lucky.

But it's a good start for them.

TOBTTReds · 03-13-2007, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PuffyPig

If you look closely at their stats, they aren't striking out many, and they have been very BABIP lucky.

But it's a good start for them.

True. Wells goes 3 ip today with 3 k's to add to his previously posted numbers.

LincolnparkRed · 03-13-2007, 04:15 PM

For some reason I don't see Looper being very effective, think Danny Graves but worse

M2 · 03-13-2007, 04:23 PM

Dave Duncan's a genius. For that reason alone you should always be scared of the Cardinals' pitching.

Johnny Footstool · 03-13-2007, 04:31 PM

Carpenter will be a Cy Young candidate again. Wainwright and Reyes will be a good middle-of-the-rotation combo.

I see Looper getting hurt for a fairly long period of time.

Wells is Wells. Nothing to worry about.

Doc. Scott · 03-13-2007, 05:55 PM

Under the Knife said today that it's full speed ahead for Jason Isringhausen. For what that's worth.

vaticanplum · 03-13-2007, 06:15 PM

I expect the Cards' entire pitching staff -- starters and bullpen -- to be significantly more effective than it was last year. They had an awful lot of injuries last year, the young ones are settling in, and I think people are underestimating what winning the World Series may do for their confidence and momentum.

wheels · 03-13-2007, 07:39 PM

I think the Cardinals are poised to really dominate this season. They actually had a lot of stuff go wrong last year, and still stumbled to a Championship.

Think 95 wins.

pedro · 03-13-2007, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wheels

I think the Cardinals are poised to really dominate this season. They actually had a lot of stuff go wrong last year, and still stumbled to a Championship.

Think 95 wins.

I think they're going to have a lot of problems myself. their OF is pretty weak as is their starting pitching.

wheels · 03-13-2007, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pedro

I think they're going to have a lot of problems myself. their OF is pretty weak as is their starting pitching.

I really hope so.

I don't have any real basis for my prediction, mind you.

I fear and loathe them, therefore they will win far more games than they should. My hatred fuels them. I've seen it happen.

I was at the Mothers Day Massacre, I was sitting two rows back when they pummelled Lizard mercilessly last season.....The list is too long to type out here, but trust me.

There is something cosmic going on between me and the St. Louis Cardinals.

On a side note, I was just joking when I wondered what TMBS meant. I just needlin' you.

Falls City Beer · 03-13-2007, 07:57 PM

The Cards' starting pitching should be nothing but fantastic. Their bullpen could be a real clown car outfit, however. As in, Cincinnati-clown-car-bad.

OnBaseMachine · 03-13-2007, 08:04 PM

I look for the Cardinals to hover around .500 all season. Wells and Looper are nothing special, Reyes is overrated, Wainwright was good as a reliever but unproven as a starter, however, Carpenter is a stud.

mth123 · 03-13-2007, 09:22 PM

Many are writing the Cardinals off because this year's rotation won't have many starters back. Weaver, Mulder and Marquis were awful last year and even Eric Milton would be an improvement. Even if you can't name any starter but Carpenter, the rotation will be better in 2007. For those that can name names, Adam Wainwright looks like a stud in the making in my opinion and Reyes will be a solid number 3. And Kip Wells will be the best pitching signing of the off-season at $4 Million.

Add in healthy years from Izzy, Edmonds, Eckstein, Rolen, etc. and this team looks like a 90+ win team to me.

03-13-2007, 12:13 PM	#1
TOBTTReds Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 3,667	Cards Pitching I've been thinking a lot about the Cards new/weaker pitching staff. I looked at their spring numbers, and they are incredible. Wainwright - 11.2 ip, 5 h, 0 r Looper - 11 ip, 10 h, 1 r Carpenter - 10.2 ip, 10 h, 3 r Reyes - 5.2 ip, 1 h, 1 r, 4 k Wells - 5 ip, 7 h, 0 r This worries me slightly, though it is just spring and all are a sss (small sample size) http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/sta...s.jsp?c_id=stl

03-13-2007, 12:43 PM	#2
RedlegNation Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 602	Re: Cards Pitching Small sample size. I don't expect their rotation to be better than ours. (I can't believe I just typed that!) __________________ Chad D Redleg Nation: A Cincinnati Reds Blog, Fan Community, and Therapy Group

03-13-2007, 01:55 PM	#3
PuffyPig Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,732	Re: Cards Pitching If you look closely at their stats, they aren't striking out many, and they have been very BABIP lucky. But it's a good start for them.

03-13-2007, 04:15 PM	#5
LincolnparkRed Designated Threadkiller Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,789	Re: Cards Pitching For some reason I don't see Looper being very effective, think Danny Graves but worse __________________ Climbing down from the bridge, but keeping the torch lit until Dusty's fate is settled

03-13-2007, 04:23 PM	#6
M2 Posting in Dynarama Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Boston Posts: 26,668	Re: Cards Pitching Dave Duncan's a genius. For that reason alone you should always be scared of the Cardinals' pitching. __________________ Baseball isn't a magic trick ... it doesn't get spoiled if you figure out how it works. - gonelong I'm witchcrafting everybody.

03-13-2007, 04:31 PM	#7
Johnny Footstool Churlish Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Olathe, KS Posts: 13,665	Re: Cards Pitching Carpenter will be a Cy Young candidate again. Wainwright and Reyes will be a good middle-of-the-rotation combo. I see Looper getting hurt for a fairly long period of time. Wells is Wells. Nothing to worry about. __________________ "I prefer books and movies where the conflict isn't of the extreme cannibal apocalypse variety I guess." Redsfaithful

03-13-2007, 05:55 PM	#8
Doc. Scott Lover of Trivialities Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Portland, OR (West Chester, OH) Posts: 6,066	Re: Cards Pitching Under the Knife said today that it's full speed ahead for Jason Isringhausen. For what that's worth.

03-13-2007, 06:15 PM	#9
vaticanplum Has big taste Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 6,704	Re: Cards Pitching I expect the Cards' entire pitching staff -- starters and bullpen -- to be significantly more effective than it was last year. They had an awful lot of injuries last year, the young ones are settling in, and I think people are underestimating what winning the World Series may do for their confidence and momentum. __________________ There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.

03-13-2007, 07:39 PM	#10
wheels Dented and Spent Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 6,538	Re: Cards Pitching I think the Cardinals are poised to really dominate this season. They actually had a lot of stuff go wrong last year, and still stumbled to a Championship. Think 95 wins. __________________ "Opening Day.... Pfffft! We get all excited, thinking they're gonna have some kinda great year....Same thing over and over. Disappointment. What time do you want me to come over?" - My Dad. Opening Day 2012.

03-13-2007, 07:57 PM	#13
Falls City Beer Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 24,098	Re: Cards Pitching The Cards' starting pitching should be nothing but fantastic. Their bullpen could be a real clown car outfit, however. As in, Cincinnati-clown-car-bad.

03-13-2007, 08:04 PM	#14
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,655	Re: Cards Pitching I look for the Cardinals to hover around .500 all season. Wells and Looper are nothing special, Reyes is overrated, Wainwright was good as a reliever but unproven as a starter, however, Carpenter is a stud.

03-13-2007, 09:22 PM	#15
mth123 The Big Dog Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,686	Re: Cards Pitching Many are writing the Cardinals off because this year's rotation won't have many starters back. Weaver, Mulder and Marquis were awful last year and even Eric Milton would be an improvement. Even if you can't name any starter but Carpenter, the rotation will be better in 2007. For those that can name names, Adam Wainwright looks like a stud in the making in my opinion and Reyes will be a solid number 3. And Kip Wells will be the best pitching signing of the off-season at $4 Million. Add in healthy years from Izzy, Edmonds, Eckstein, Rolen, etc. and this team looks like a 90+ win team to me. __________________ "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

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