Pena traded for Arroyo - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

BrooklynRedz · 03-20-2006, 11:00 AM

Pena is a Red Sox. Arroyo is now a Red. It's official.

Hooligan · 03-20-2006, 11:05 AM

Where are you getting your info? I see nothing on ESPN, CBS.Sportsline or either of the team websites.

OldRightHander · 03-20-2006, 11:07 AM

I'm not finding this anywhere.

Chip R · 03-20-2006, 11:11 AM

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASAp...=.jsp&c_id=cin

OnBaseMachine · 03-20-2006, 11:11 AM

Reds got ripped off.

Krivsky's first trade=F+

ochre · 03-20-2006, 11:12 AM

I'm pretty sure Brooklynredz is a reliable early source on these types of things, just for future reference.

wheels · 03-20-2006, 11:13 AM

Yup Brooklyn's got cred.

SirFelixCat · 03-20-2006, 11:15 AM

Ugh. Not only do we get a 4.5 ERA pitcher, which is moderately better than what we had (though that IS in the AL), but the offense takes a BIG hit with Hatteberg a full-time starter now. I don't see them letting Denorfia start, so the whole Dunn to 1st was a sham? What gives?

Or was the FO all of a sudden terrified that they only have two major league starters in the rotation?!?

remdog · 03-20-2006, 11:16 AM

Ugh! I'm not surprised to see WMP traded but I was hopeing to get better pitching for him.

I was also looking forward to seeing an OF of WMP, JR and Kearnes. Worst part is that it looks like Hatteberg is now the starting first baseman.

Sigh!

Rem

ochre · 03-20-2006, 11:16 AM

Maybe they can try Kearns at 3b? The more things change, the more they stay the same.

SirFelixCat · 03-20-2006, 11:18 AM

http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showtopic=4426

They seem to love the trade. Color me shocked :sarcasm: Ya think?!?

Cant Touch This · 03-20-2006, 11:19 AM

Confirmed on Marc's blog.

http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/spring/

Not sure how I feel about this one yet...

registerthis · 03-20-2006, 11:22 AM

Just what we need--another flyball pitcher with low K totals. Everything about him sreams "average" to me--no complete games, average BB totals, low K totals, etc. He was able to keep the ball in the park significantly more than, say, Milton--and he pitched in a hitter's park, too, so that much is encouraging.

On the flipside, while I don't think Arroyo is this team's answer for its pitching needs, I think people have a serious tendency to overvalue WMP. He's got all the raw talent in the world, but unrefined talent is worthless. While i would have rather seen the reds get more of a groundball pitcher--or one with a higher K rate--a pitcher in the neighborhood of Arroyo is about where WMP's value currently sits.

At least the Reds answered one of their question marks in the rotation--and this perhaps also opens the possibility of Milton moving to the bullpen if he continues to remain ineffective as a starter.

Crash Davis · 03-20-2006, 11:23 AM

Yippee! Another #4 starter.

The more things change...

Even if WMP struggles to reach his ceiling, he's far too talented to give up on for the likes of Bronson Arroyo. What's Arroyo's upside? We've seen it.

NJReds · 03-20-2006, 11:23 AM

I'm not crazy about this. Even though he's better than most of the schlubs we have, Arroyo seems very average. I would have prefered to see what WMP could playing FT before dealing him off for an average pitcher.

03-20-2006, 11:00 AM	#1
BrooklynRedz Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 767	Pena traded for Arroyo Pena is a Red Sox. Arroyo is now a Red. It's official.

03-20-2006, 11:05 AM	#2
Hooligan Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Canal Winchester, OH Posts: 504	Re: Good morning. Where are you getting your info? I see nothing on ESPN, CBS.Sportsline or either of the team websites. __________________ ...And this one belongs to the Reds!!

03-20-2006, 11:07 AM	#3
OldRightHander Resident optimist Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: east of WOY Posts: 5,029	Re: Good morning. I'm not finding this anywhere.

03-20-2006, 11:11 AM	#5
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,655	Re: Pena traded for Arroyo Reds got ripped off. Krivsky's first trade=F+

03-20-2006, 11:12 AM	#6
ochre Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,266	Re: Pena traded for Arroyo I'm pretty sure Brooklynredz is a reliable early source on these types of things, just for future reference. __________________ 4009

03-20-2006, 11:11 AM	#4
Chip R Rally Onion! Join Date: May 2000 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 33,221	Re: Good morning. http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASAp...=.jsp&c_id=cin __________________ The Rally Onion wants 150 fans before Opening Day. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rally-...24872650873160

03-20-2006, 11:13 AM	#7
wheels Dented and Spent Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 6,536	Re: Pena traded for Arroyo Yup Brooklyn's got cred. __________________ "Opening Day.... Pfffft! We get all excited, thinking they're gonna have some kinda great year....Same thing over and over. Disappointment. What time do you want me to come over?" - My Dad. Opening Day 2012.

03-20-2006, 11:15 AM	#8
SirFelixCat Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 5,673	Re: Pena traded for Arroyo Ugh. Not only do we get a 4.5 ERA pitcher, which is moderately better than what we had (though that IS in the AL), but the offense takes a BIG hit with Hatteberg a full-time starter now. I don't see them letting Denorfia start, so the whole Dunn to 1st was a sham? What gives? Or was the FO all of a sudden terrified that they only have two major league starters in the rotation?!? __________________ Resident Poker Pro

03-20-2006, 11:16 AM	#9
remdog Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 7,943	Re: Pena traded for Arroyo Ugh! I'm not surprised to see WMP traded but I was hopeing to get better pitching for him. I was also looking forward to seeing an OF of WMP, JR and Kearnes. Worst part is that it looks like Hatteberg is now the starting first baseman. Sigh! Rem

03-20-2006, 11:16 AM	#10
ochre Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 4,266	Re: Pena traded for Arroyo Maybe they can try Kearns at 3b? The more things change, the more they stay the same. __________________ 4009

03-20-2006, 11:18 AM	#11
SirFelixCat Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 5,673	Re: Pena traded for Arroyo http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showtopic=4426 They seem to love the trade. Color me shocked :sarcasm: Ya think?!? __________________ Resident Poker Pro

03-20-2006, 11:19 AM	#12
Cant Touch This WMFP Commish Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 579	Re: Pena traded for Arroyo Confirmed on Marc's blog. http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/spring/ Not sure how I feel about this one yet... __________________ A flute with no holes is not a flute. A doughnut with no holes is a danish. -- Zen Philosopher Basho

03-20-2006, 11:22 AM	#13
registerthis Harry Chiti Fan Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 5,872	Re: Pena traded for Arroyo Just what we need--another flyball pitcher with low K totals. Everything about him sreams "average" to me--no complete games, average BB totals, low K totals, etc. He was able to keep the ball in the park significantly more than, say, Milton--and he pitched in a hitter's park, too, so that much is encouraging. On the flipside, while I don't think Arroyo is this team's answer for its pitching needs, I think people have a serious tendency to overvalue WMP. He's got all the raw talent in the world, but unrefined talent is worthless. While i would have rather seen the reds get more of a groundball pitcher--or one with a higher K rate--a pitcher in the neighborhood of Arroyo is about where WMP's value currently sits. At least the Reds answered one of their question marks in the rotation--and this perhaps also opens the possibility of Milton moving to the bullpen if he continues to remain ineffective as a starter. __________________ We'll burn that bridge when we get to it.

03-20-2006, 11:23 AM	#14
Crash Davis White Castle to the Nile Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tybee Island, GA Posts: 1,943	Re: Pena traded for Arroyo Yippee! Another #4 starter. The more things change... Even if WMP struggles to reach his ceiling, he's far too talented to give up on for the likes of Bronson Arroyo. What's Arroyo's upside? We've seen it. __________________ "I fought because I understood and could not bear to understand, that it was my destiny -- unlike that of my father, whose fate it was to hear the roar of the crowd -- to sit in the stands with most men and acclaim others. It was my fate, my destiny, my end, to be a fan."

03-20-2006, 11:23 AM	#15
NJReds Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 5,408	Re: Pena traded for Arroyo I'm not crazy about this. Even though he's better than most of the schlubs we have, Arroyo seems very average. I would have prefered to see what WMP could playing FT before dealing him off for an average pitcher.

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