WK's Quotes on Chad Moeller... - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

membengal · 03-24-2007, 10:41 AM

...make me sad (see C. Trent's article: http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs....40386/1035/SPT)

"People keep harping on the three-catcher thing," Krivsky said. "But you'd better have a guy back there if that's the way you think your roster is suited best. You can't go through a whole season with just two catchers."

Sigh.

Yes, Wayne, you can. Lots of teams do. Easy peasy. I don't mind Moeller backing up given his defensive skillz, but I hate that the team will apparently be doing that AND carrying Valentin.

Ah well. Once more into the breach this team goes, apparently with three catchers again this year...

HumnHilghtFreel · 03-24-2007, 10:44 AM

That's... depressing.

dougdirt · 03-24-2007, 10:47 AM

He does know that Hatteberg used to play catcher and if push came to shove, he could play catcher for a few innings until you could make a roster move if someone goes down right? Going through the mlb.com depth charts, only 6 of 16 NL teams list more than 2 catches on their respective depth charts.... So no Wayne, you can make it through a season with 2 catchers on your roster, especially if you use the premise that your current back up catcher isnt a good pinch hitter and dont use him as such.

Tom Servo · 03-24-2007, 10:47 AM

Honestly, they can keep Moeller as a backup for all I care. But trade Javy (who's a free agent after this year) if you do that and get a good bench player, because the 3 catchers thing is just stupid.

Kc61 · 03-24-2007, 10:55 AM

I agree you need a third catcher. But he can be at AAA, in case of injury.

The thing the Reds don't seem to get is that, with 12 pitchers you have only 5 bench players. If two of the five bench players are catchers, you have only three bench guys who play other positions. This seriously impairs your ability to move guys around.

With three catchers, the Reds' only three non-catcher reserves would be Hamilton, Conine and Castro. This is very limiting particularly since Conine is not a defensive guy. So if you have injuries in games, the need to double switch, long games with extra innings, you really are hamstrung.

If the Reds go with only 11 pitchers and keep one extra position player, then the three catchers is ok.

Their analysis is that Valentin, with no necessary catching responsibilities, can be a pinch hitter. If he is a backup catcher he can't pinch hit because there is no catcher on the bench. This is true. But other teams live with it.

Also, Valentin can get his at bats catching perhaps one third of the games. And he can still pinch hit late in games. Ross seems like a healthy fellow; in case of emergency Hatteberg can go back there.

So while I understand the Reds' thinking, with a 12 man staff and a five man bench you can only afford two catchers.

Big Klu · 03-24-2007, 10:59 AM

Three catchers for it's own sake is not stupid (I've always liked having that third catcher around for insurance--guys like Terry McGriff, Glenn Sutko, or Damon Berryhill), but three catchers coupled with a five-man bench is insane! You can't use two spots on the bench for catchers when you only have five spots altogether!

RedLegSuperStar · 03-24-2007, 11:02 AM

Why was LaRue dealt then if we were going to carry 3 catchers..

Joseph · 03-24-2007, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RedLegSuperStar

Why was LaRue dealt then if we were going to carry 3 catchers..

Especially considering we are paying for him not to be here as well.

Big Klu · 03-24-2007, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RedLegSuperStar

Why was LaRue dealt then if we were going to carry 3 catchers..

Because he was an unhappy camper, and they dealt him out of respect, so that he could have a chance to play elsewhere.

edabbs44 · 03-24-2007, 11:15 AM

What a joke.

savafan · 03-24-2007, 11:18 AM

I may be wrong, but hasn't it also been said that Freel can play catcher if need be?

KronoRed · 03-24-2007, 12:03 PM

He's too valuble in other roles

Ltlabner · 03-24-2007, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kc61

I agree you need a third catcher. But he can be at AAA, in case of injury..

That's the way I see it KC. Stash Moeller at Louisville where he can be on call in the event of disaster with Ross and Javy.

Since he has these great "game calling skills" and ability to "handle the pitchers" perhaps he can put some of that mojo to use training and helping the AAA pitchers.

DoogMinAmo · 03-24-2007, 12:44 PM

What if Moeller has passed Valentin to become backup catcher, and Valentin is kept around just as a pinch hitter, and this is all just media speak? Since the Jr. ordeal, I never am confident of 100% honesty from Narron in the media.

dougdirt · 03-24-2007, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DoogMinAmo

What if Moeller has passed Valentin to become backup catcher, and Valentin is kept around just as a pinch hitter, and this is all just media speak? Since the Jr. ordeal, I never am confident of 100% honesty from Narron in the media.

Well if Valentin is kept around as a pinch hitter and not a catcher, that means we are then carrying 3 first basemen, becuase regardless of what Narron says, there is no reason Conine should step foot in the outfield. Poor roster construction at its best if we carry Valentin, Ross and Moeller.

03-24-2007, 10:41 AM	#1
membengal Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Baltimore Posts: 8,380	WK's Quotes on Chad Moeller... ...make me sad (see C. Trent's article: http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs....40386/1035/SPT) "People keep harping on the three-catcher thing," Krivsky said. "But you'd better have a guy back there if that's the way you think your roster is suited best. You can't go through a whole season with just two catchers." Sigh. Yes, Wayne, you can. Lots of teams do. Easy peasy. I don't mind Moeller backing up given his defensive skillz, but I hate that the team will apparently be doing that AND carrying Valentin. Ah well. Once more into the breach this team goes, apparently with three catchers again this year... Last edited by membengal; 03-24-2007 at 10:46 AM.

03-24-2007, 10:44 AM	#2
HumnHilghtFreel Manliness Personified Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,690	Re: WK's Quotes on Chad Moeller... That's... depressing.

03-24-2007, 10:47 AM	#3
dougdirt The Boss Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 30,729	Re: WK's Quotes on Chad Moeller... He does know that Hatteberg used to play catcher and if push came to shove, he could play catcher for a few innings until you could make a roster move if someone goes down right? Going through the mlb.com depth charts, only 6 of 16 NL teams list more than 2 catches on their respective depth charts.... So no Wayne, you can make it through a season with 2 catchers on your roster, especially if you use the premise that your current back up catcher isnt a good pinch hitter and dont use him as such. __________________ www.redsminorleagues.com

03-24-2007, 10:47 AM	#4
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,411	Re: WK's Quotes on Chad Moeller... Honestly, they can keep Moeller as a backup for all I care. But trade Javy (who's a free agent after this year) if you do that and get a good bench player, because the 3 catchers thing is just stupid. __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

03-24-2007, 10:55 AM	#5
Kc61 Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 10,837	Re: WK's Quotes on Chad Moeller... I agree you need a third catcher. But he can be at AAA, in case of injury. The thing the Reds don't seem to get is that, with 12 pitchers you have only 5 bench players. If two of the five bench players are catchers, you have only three bench guys who play other positions. This seriously impairs your ability to move guys around. With three catchers, the Reds' only three non-catcher reserves would be Hamilton, Conine and Castro. This is very limiting particularly since Conine is not a defensive guy. So if you have injuries in games, the need to double switch, long games with extra innings, you really are hamstrung. If the Reds go with only 11 pitchers and keep one extra position player, then the three catchers is ok. Their analysis is that Valentin, with no necessary catching responsibilities, can be a pinch hitter. If he is a backup catcher he can't pinch hit because there is no catcher on the bench. This is true. But other teams live with it. Also, Valentin can get his at bats catching perhaps one third of the games. And he can still pinch hit late in games. Ross seems like a healthy fellow; in case of emergency Hatteberg can go back there. So while I understand the Reds' thinking, with a 12 man staff and a five man bench you can only afford two catchers. Last edited by Kc61; 03-24-2007 at 10:58 AM.

03-24-2007, 10:59 AM	#6
Big Klu Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cambridge, OH Posts: 16,274	Re: WK's Quotes on Chad Moeller... Three catchers for it's own sake is not stupid (I've always liked having that third catcher around for insurance--guys like Terry McGriff, Glenn Sutko, or Damon Berryhill), but three catchers coupled with a five-man bench is insane! You can't use two spots on the bench for catchers when you only have five spots altogether! __________________ Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser....Americans play to win all of the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed...the very idea of losing is hateful to an American. Gen. George S. Patton, Jr.

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03-24-2007, 11:15 AM	#10
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