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Maybe there's hope for ESPN after all...
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So long old friend
Join Date: Mar 2007
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Re: Maybe there's hope for ESPN after all...
The rest of the world has finally infected sports. People have been shouting for years on shows like Meet the Press, Nightline, and Hardball. It was bound to happen sometime as the business part of sports grew and the qualifications for reporting it grew. Back in the old days it was all ex-jocks or stat fiends doing analysis. Now the journalists have taken over and it's becoming more and more about me first. The internet and boards like this have infused more and more opinion than fact into our lives. It's a sign of the times.
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Re: Maybe there's hope for ESPN after all...
I am one who will hardly ever listen to or watch that stuff either. Every single time I have, I have felt either dumber for it or totally ticked off at the guy who was spouting off. I do tend to hear more than I really should from our local sports radio stattion when they play the ESPN snational stuff. But I much prefer our local "hacks" who basically just talk about stuff, often thee same stuff, but in a much more palatable manner to me.
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Re: Maybe there's hope for ESPN after all...
Yea..Stephen A Smith is probably the most annoying person on ESPN. Dude cant control himself, always yelling
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Re: Maybe there's hope for ESPN after all...
The only time Stephen A Smith is not yelling is when he is serious.
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Join Date: Apr 2004
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Re: Maybe there's hope for ESPN after all...
Someone else previously posted a much better reply here about this topic - but I'll do my best to summarize.
I do find it irritating that I - a late 20's male sports fan, seemingly am not the target audience of ESPN anymore. Perhaps because I don't like things dumbed down, my sports digested in bite size nuggets or talked down to about sports like I'm an idiot. (ESPN isn't alone in this - remember the Fox Sports Whiz Ball) Its the same reason I can't stand sitcoms - Guys are always the dopey beer drinking idiot who needs a savvy wife or girlfriend to help him make it thru the day. Add to that the massive growth of things like blogs, RSS feeds and micro coverage of the sports accesible via the net about topics I enjoy, I no longer need a one stop shop for my sports information needs. I can get richer, more detailed coverage elsewhere at my convenience and I don't feel less intelligent in the process. That's a lose/lose situation for ESPN - Seriously - I have Google Reader as my Homepage and in my PDA. What am I going to choose - incessant coverage of basketball & hockey (two sports I don't watch) or pop on and check up on one of the many well written baseball blogs I read every day. No brainier choice there. Plus the major sports packages mean I don't have to wait until 10pm to see what happened in the Reds game, I can watch it myself. And these outlets are way down the line in technology and advanced understanding of the game of baseball than ESPN. Do you know that the Diamondbacks home games now regularly feature Win Probabity Analysis as the game goes on? What Sabermetrically leaning individual ever dreamed that something like that would pop up on a telecast. Yet when someone like Peter Gammons mentions OPS on ESPN, you get idiots like Steve Phillips & John Kruk deriding it as non sequential. My father in law - about as un-stats savvy a person as you can get, but a huge baseball fan regardless, wondered aloud what the WPA percentage graphic that kept popping up on the bottom during the game on Easter. I took a moment, explained it to him, and he said "hmm...cool" and that was that. When we watched a game the other night he mentioned how he watches for that now during the games. And just like that - another smart baseball fan was introduced to different way of looking at the game. Sad part is - I can remember when Sportscenter was required watching. My roommates and I would set a schedule and watch Patrick & Olbermann every night - several times some nights. Now it takes more than one hand to count the years since I've sat and watched an entire hour of Sportscenter from beginning to end. I'm not really upset about it to be honest - things change and I'm a happier sports fan for it. Last edited by jmcclain19; 04-13-2007 at 01:44 AM. |
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Re: Maybe there's hope for ESPN after all...
You have to remember that the producers and anchors and talking heads at ESPN have no obligation to go along with what she suggests. They are after ratings and if they feel shouting will get them the ratings they want, you better believe they are going to do that.
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Re: Maybe there's hope for ESPN after all...
That's what I'm curious about....what power does she have?
Is she just a rational opinion that doesn't get heard by producers and higher-ups? If so, that's unfortunate.
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I don't think she has a bit of power. She's window dressing. She's their alter ego. She's there to be righteously indignant when they get criticized for doing too much stuff on Bonds or when they are criticized for something else. She's someone people can complain to for whatever reason. She can't do a bloody thing but it makes people feel better and it looks like ESPN is responding to the complaints.
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Join Date: May 2001
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Re: Maybe there's hope for ESPN after all...
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The previous ombudsman was very low key in his criticism. This new one seems a bit more forthcoming with criticism. It will be interesting to see if she stays on board. ESPN would look like hypocrites if they canned her but I don't think that matters much to them. They have the moral fiber of a planarian worm.
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Re: Maybe there's hope for ESPN after all...
Keith Olbermann, where are ye?
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Re: Maybe there's hope for ESPN after all...
He is in the witness protection program called MSNBC.
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Re: Maybe there's hope for ESPN after all...
Yes, an ombudsman's job is to represent the reader/viewer, sit in on various meetings and discussions, and offer a reality check when the head honchos get disconnected from the audience.
But an ombudsman doesn't get to call the shots. He or she only has power to the extent that others within the company listen.
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Re: Maybe there's hope for ESPN after all...
Meh, Dick Vitale doesnt really annoy me...you can tell he yells because hes just truly enthusiastic about what he does. Stephen A will yell just to yell so he can be overheard from everyone else. That and to just start arguments. Though he did pretty well in his interviews on Quite Frankly, he'd ask a lot of good questions imo. Though the rest of the show was him yelling.
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