Memory Lane part 4 - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

TeamDunn · 05-22-2003, 06:08 PM

The end for this round.

TeamDunn · 05-22-2003, 06:14 PM

1. Mario Soto
2. " "
3. " "
4. Kurt Stillwell
5. Frank Williams

cincinnati chili · 06-06-2003, 01:03 AM

Mario carrying his own luggage??? Doesn't the kangaroo court give fines for that?

Awesome pictures. Thanks for sharing.

membengal · 03-16-2007, 10:48 AM

TeamDunn, I am pulling this thread back, 1) because of the great pics, and 2) because I had occasion on another matter to go back and peruse Mr. Soto's stats from his heydey with the Reds.

And they really are remarkable. More so because of the era we are now in.

I was born in 1970, and Soto was easily my favorite Red during the bad years. But time has dimmed my memory as to just how good he was. His overall stats from baseballreference.com:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/sotoma01.shtml

The years that are eye-popping:

1980: 190 innings, 12 starts, 3 complete games, 182 Ks, 3.07 ERA 1.10 WHIP
1981: 175 innings, 25 starts, 10 complete games, 151 Ks, 3.29 ERA 1.16 WHIP
1982: 257 innings, 34 starts, 13 complete games, 274 Ks, 2.79 ERA 1.06 WHIP
1983: 274 innings, 34 starts, 18 complete games, 242 Ks, 2.70 ERA 1.10 WHIP
1984: 237 innings, 33 starts, 13 complete games, 185 Ks, 3.53 ERA 1.12 WHIP
1985: 256 innings, 36 starts, 9 complete games, 214 Ks, 3.58 ERA 1.16 WHIP

It fell off after that, rather precipitously. I went back and rechecked all of this because of Dowd's finding that Rose never bet on Soto. That would have been the 1986 or 1987 Soto when he had lost it, but surely not before that, because before that, Soto turned in a stretch of pitching nearly unrivaled in this organization's history for power and effectiveness.

I was 16 when he lost it, and don't remember what it was that ended him, I would presume some arm issues. The workload was insane, compared to what we are used to today, and his 1980 is bizarre. That's not a lot of starts to amass those innings and Ks. A lot of long relief outings and the like,I would guess. If Redszone had been around then, we would likely have started a nuclear reaction calling for him to start long before he did that year.

An amazing pitcher.

Sorry for the detour, but this seemed like a decent place to look back at his career...

vaticanplum · 03-16-2007, 06:48 PM

Wow, these are awesome. Mario Soto was a groovy-looking dude. Thanks for bumping this.

Dom Heffner · 03-16-2007, 07:26 PM

Quote:

1980: 190 innings, 12 starts, 3 complete games, 182 Ks, 3.07 ERA 1.10 WHIP

Did he pitch in relief? Because 190 innings divided by 12 starts isn't anywhere close to being realisic.

TeamDunn · 03-17-2007, 08:19 PM

If he had played on decent Reds teams during his time it would have been interesting to see if he would have had a HOF career.

He was my favorite player in Jr High and High School.

Glad you enjoyed the pics! I was at the park when he was inducted into the Reds HOF. I need to get those pics scanned.

membengal · 03-19-2007, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dom Heffner

Did he pitch in relief? Because 190 innings divided by 12 starts isn't anywhere close to being realisic.

Yes, lots of relief that year. In addition to starting, he also saved some games.

08-26-2009, 05:20 PM

lol... I wasn't in the guild at the time, but I always love looking at old screenshots. Thanks for the stroll down memory lane.

05-22-2003, 06:08 PM	#1
TeamDunn Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Northern Ky Posts: 4,801	Memory Lane part 4 The end for this round.

06-06-2003, 01:03 AM	#3
cincinnati chili post hype sleeper Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver Posts: 10,350	Mario carrying his own luggage??? Doesn't the kangaroo court give fines for that? Awesome pictures. Thanks for sharing. __________________ On Dasher On Dancer On Prancer Ondrusek

03-16-2007, 10:48 AM	#4
membengal Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Baltimore Posts: 8,379	Re: Memory Lane part 4 TeamDunn, I am pulling this thread back, 1) because of the great pics, and 2) because I had occasion on another matter to go back and peruse Mr. Soto's stats from his heydey with the Reds. And they really are remarkable. More so because of the era we are now in. I was born in 1970, and Soto was easily my favorite Red during the bad years. But time has dimmed my memory as to just how good he was. His overall stats from baseballreference.com: http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/sotoma01.shtml The years that are eye-popping: 1980: 190 innings, 12 starts, 3 complete games, 182 Ks, 3.07 ERA 1.10 WHIP 1981: 175 innings, 25 starts, 10 complete games, 151 Ks, 3.29 ERA 1.16 WHIP 1982: 257 innings, 34 starts, 13 complete games, 274 Ks, 2.79 ERA 1.06 WHIP 1983: 274 innings, 34 starts, 18 complete games, 242 Ks, 2.70 ERA 1.10 WHIP 1984: 237 innings, 33 starts, 13 complete games, 185 Ks, 3.53 ERA 1.12 WHIP 1985: 256 innings, 36 starts, 9 complete games, 214 Ks, 3.58 ERA 1.16 WHIP It fell off after that, rather precipitously. I went back and rechecked all of this because of Dowd's finding that Rose never bet on Soto. That would have been the 1986 or 1987 Soto when he had lost it, but surely not before that, because before that, Soto turned in a stretch of pitching nearly unrivaled in this organization's history for power and effectiveness. I was 16 when he lost it, and don't remember what it was that ended him, I would presume some arm issues. The workload was insane, compared to what we are used to today, and his 1980 is bizarre. That's not a lot of starts to amass those innings and Ks. A lot of long relief outings and the like,I would guess. If Redszone had been around then, we would likely have started a nuclear reaction calling for him to start long before he did that year. An amazing pitcher. Sorry for the detour, but this seemed like a decent place to look back at his career... Last edited by membengal; 03-16-2007 at 10:53 AM.

03-16-2007, 06:48 PM	#5
vaticanplum Has big taste Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 6,704	Re: Memory Lane part 4 Wow, these are awesome. Mario Soto was a groovy-looking dude. Thanks for bumping this. __________________ There is no such thing as a pitching prospect.

03-17-2007, 08:19 PM	#7
TeamDunn Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Northern Ky Posts: 4,801	Re: Memory Lane part 4 If he had played on decent Reds teams during his time it would have been interesting to see if he would have had a HOF career. He was my favorite player in Jr High and High School. Glad you enjoyed the pics! I was at the park when he was inducted into the Reds HOF. I need to get those pics scanned.

05-22-2003, 06:14 PM	#2
TeamDunn Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Northern Ky Posts: 4,801	1. Mario Soto 2. " " 3. " " 4. Kurt Stillwell 5. Frank Williams

08-26-2009, 05:20 PM	#9
SaPYNC Guest Posts: n/a	Memory Lane part 4 lol... I wasn't in the guild at the time, but I always love looking at old screenshots. Thanks for the stroll down memory lane.

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