Potential 2nd PTBNL from Denorfia trade? - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

Patrick Bateman · 04-29-2007, 05:40 PM

I posted this in the original Deno trade thread, but I'm guessing most people are sick of rummaging through it, so I thought this was worth it's own discussion:

One player that makes sense for the other PTBNL is Danny Putnam.

Now I reason this based on how strange the PTBNL seems to be in this occurence. We know the player is near major league ready, but still isn't going to be traded right now.

The fact that the player is close to being ready seems to cancel out the chance of a draft pick, and the Athletics players currently injured don't seem like logical candidates based on already being major league ready or their contract status.

So to me, it's most logically a player that the Athletics currently have a use for, and that the Reds wouldn't.

Now the Athletics currently have Milton Bradley and Mark Kotsay injured which forced them to call up Danny Putnam due to their lack of depth. My guess is that Putnam goes down when Bradley comes back in the next 3 or so weeks, but the Athletics would still be thin on OF depth which would explain why they would want to hold on to Putnam for now.

So my guess is the transaction goes down when Kotsay comes back from injury (approximately mid June). Krivsky did say that he expects the other player to be announced sometime during the summer whih does coincide with Kotsay coming back from injury.

Putnam would fit Krivsky's description of being close to major league ready. We know the player is a prospect of some assortment. Putnam is in the majors right now, but he's not really ready, but is fairly close.

As the Reds don't have a use for Putnam right now, and he's likely to spend most of his time in the minors anyway, Krivsky probably doesn't mind Putnam staying on the major league roster for the Athletics for the time being. I think McBeth was named for the reason that the Reds had a more potential use for him right now while the Athletics didn't, unlike Putnam.

IMO, Putnam is the only player that makes sense as the PTBNL. There is obviously an abnormal reason as to why the player has not been named yet and the Athletics OF situation right now is very shaky. Putnam is also the A's only OF prospect that really qualifies as being near major league ready.

In Putnam, the Reds would get a 25 year old corner outfielder. he's not very good defensively, and his bat doesn't profile to be good enough to play everyday as a corner outfielder.

He's fairly disciplined. 55-65 BB's per season should be expected out of him while also not striking out an enormous rate. Shows mediocre power (around 15-20 homer potential). In all, his bat profiles as a pretty similar overall package to Deno. Not quite the on base ability, but probably a little better power.

Here's his career minor league stats:
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/playe...y-Putnam.shtml

The big downgrade is the defense. Deno can play a very solid CF, while Putnam is below average, even in LF. He compares favorably to a Gabe Gross.

I'm probably looking too much into this, but I think he's the most logical bet. If true, the trade would be adding McBeth for a downgrade in the OF. the Reds already have CF candidates in Freel and Hamilton which would make Denorfia's strong ability there unneccessary in Cincy, while the Reds would still add some good OF depth in Putnam as a really strong bench player down the road. If true, I think this would be a worthwhile trade for the Reds where the upgrade in pitching far outweighs what is lost in the OF.

Can anyone think of other logical candidates based on clues that Krivsky has given?

mth123 · 04-29-2007, 06:19 PM

Your logic on Putnam makes sense. Another possibility is some one who is hurt right now (Halsey?).

mth123 · 04-29-2007, 09:11 PM

New theory.

A's acquired Ryan Langerhans today. When all the players get healthy they'll have a roster problem with Kotsay, Bradley, Swisher, Langerhans, Buck and Kielty.

Maybe Kielty is the RH Bat (switch hitter actually). The A's dump part of his $2 Million Salary with the Reds getting some relief (the reason for the cash in the Deno deal). I know Krivsky said guys almost ready but maybe that was just McBeth.

Kielty started his career in Min.

Hmmm?

Joseph · 04-29-2007, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mth123

New theory.

A's acquired Ryan Langerhans today. When all the players get healthy they'll have a roster problem with Kotsay, Bradley, Swisher, Langerhans, Buck and Kielty.

Maybe Kielty is the RH Bat (switch hitter actually). The A's dump part of his $2 Million Salary with the Reds getting some relief (the reason for the cash in the Deno deal). I know Krivsky said guys almost ready but maybe that was just McBeth.

Kielty started his career in Min.

Hmmm?

Interesting theory.

Natty Redlocks · 04-29-2007, 10:32 PM

A righty bat would make a bit more sense, I think.

TeamSelig · 04-29-2007, 10:37 PM

Good thinking.

Sorry if I've missed this, I've been pretty busy, but does anyone think the PTBNL is just the rights to Jared Burton?

According to what i've read, McBeth seems to be a pretty decent prospect. Him, along with cash is a pretty fair deal for Denorfia who wasn't that highly regarded. I just thought that it was Burton right off the bat, but who knows?

Dracodave · 04-29-2007, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Natty Redlocks

A righty bat would make a bit more sense, I think.

Javier Herrera. Nuff said. Aim high Reds fans!

one can wish right?

Dracodave · 04-29-2007, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TeamSelig

Good thinking.

Sorry if I've missed this, I've been pretty busy, but does anyone think the PTBNL is just the rights to Jared Burton?

According to what i've read, McBeth seems to be a pretty decent prospect. Him, along with cash is a pretty fair deal for Denorfia who wasn't that highly regarded. I just thought that it was Burton right off the bat, but who knows?

Krivisky said it wasn't burton.

HumnHilghtFreel · 04-29-2007, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TeamSelig

Sorry if I've missed this, I've been pretty busy, but does anyone think the PTBNL is just the rights to Jared Burton?

No. WK has already ruled that out, as he'd first have to clear waivers. Burton is already Reds property.

TeamSelig · 04-29-2007, 10:41 PM

Okay, thanks. Wasn't sure about that.

Do the A's have any expendable MIFers? What about a 3rd catcher for us?

BearcatShane · 04-30-2007, 12:33 AM

I thought a PTBNL could not be on the major league roster?

AmarilloRed · 04-30-2007, 01:13 AM

He said he was close to major league ready not major league.

BearcatShane · 04-30-2007, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by AmarilloRed

He said he was close to major league ready not major league.

I was just ruling out Kielty with my comment.

mth123 · 04-30-2007, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BearcatShane

I thought a PTBNL could not be on the major league roster?

A PTBNL can be anybody.

mth123 · 04-30-2007, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by AmarilloRed

He said he was close to major league ready not major league.

Maybe that was in reference to McBeth. We may be reading too much into that comment. Maybe close to ready means close to ready to come off the DL or off a rehab assignment (which wouldn't be Kielty).

04-29-2007, 05:40 PM	#1
Patrick Bateman One and a half men Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Calgary, AB Posts: 5,487	Potential 2nd PTBNL from Denorfia trade? I posted this in the original Deno trade thread, but I'm guessing most people are sick of rummaging through it, so I thought this was worth it's own discussion: One player that makes sense for the other PTBNL is Danny Putnam. Now I reason this based on how strange the PTBNL seems to be in this occurence. We know the player is near major league ready, but still isn't going to be traded right now. The fact that the player is close to being ready seems to cancel out the chance of a draft pick, and the Athletics players currently injured don't seem like logical candidates based on already being major league ready or their contract status. So to me, it's most logically a player that the Athletics currently have a use for, and that the Reds wouldn't. Now the Athletics currently have Milton Bradley and Mark Kotsay injured which forced them to call up Danny Putnam due to their lack of depth. My guess is that Putnam goes down when Bradley comes back in the next 3 or so weeks, but the Athletics would still be thin on OF depth which would explain why they would want to hold on to Putnam for now. So my guess is the transaction goes down when Kotsay comes back from injury (approximately mid June). Krivsky did say that he expects the other player to be announced sometime during the summer whih does coincide with Kotsay coming back from injury. Putnam would fit Krivsky's description of being close to major league ready. We know the player is a prospect of some assortment. Putnam is in the majors right now, but he's not really ready, but is fairly close. As the Reds don't have a use for Putnam right now, and he's likely to spend most of his time in the minors anyway, Krivsky probably doesn't mind Putnam staying on the major league roster for the Athletics for the time being. I think McBeth was named for the reason that the Reds had a more potential use for him right now while the Athletics didn't, unlike Putnam. IMO, Putnam is the only player that makes sense as the PTBNL. There is obviously an abnormal reason as to why the player has not been named yet and the Athletics OF situation right now is very shaky. Putnam is also the A's only OF prospect that really qualifies as being near major league ready. In Putnam, the Reds would get a 25 year old corner outfielder. he's not very good defensively, and his bat doesn't profile to be good enough to play everyday as a corner outfielder. He's fairly disciplined. 55-65 BB's per season should be expected out of him while also not striking out an enormous rate. Shows mediocre power (around 15-20 homer potential). In all, his bat profiles as a pretty similar overall package to Deno. Not quite the on base ability, but probably a little better power. Here's his career minor league stats: http://www.thebaseballcube.com/playe...y-Putnam.shtml The big downgrade is the defense. Deno can play a very solid CF, while Putnam is below average, even in LF. He compares favorably to a Gabe Gross. I'm probably looking too much into this, but I think he's the most logical bet. If true, the trade would be adding McBeth for a downgrade in the OF. the Reds already have CF candidates in Freel and Hamilton which would make Denorfia's strong ability there unneccessary in Cincy, while the Reds would still add some good OF depth in Putnam as a really strong bench player down the road. If true, I think this would be a worthwhile trade for the Reds where the upgrade in pitching far outweighs what is lost in the OF. Can anyone think of other logical candidates based on clues that Krivsky has given?

04-29-2007, 06:19 PM	#2
mth123 The Big Dog Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,915	Re: Potential 2nd PTBNL from Denorfia trade? Your logic on Putnam makes sense. Another possibility is some one who is hurt right now (Halsey?). __________________ "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

04-29-2007, 09:11 PM	#3
mth123 The Big Dog Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,915	Re: Potential 2nd PTBNL from Denorfia trade? New theory. A's acquired Ryan Langerhans today. When all the players get healthy they'll have a roster problem with Kotsay, Bradley, Swisher, Langerhans, Buck and Kielty. Maybe Kielty is the RH Bat (switch hitter actually). The A's dump part of his $2 Million Salary with the Reds getting some relief (the reason for the cash in the Deno deal). I know Krivsky said guys almost ready but maybe that was just McBeth. Kielty started his career in Min. Hmmm? __________________ "All I can tell them is pick a good one and sock it." --BABE RUTH Having better players makes "the right time" or "the big hit" happen a lot more often. PLUS PLUS

04-29-2007, 10:32 PM	#5
Natty Redlocks Recovering Cubs Fan Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 711	Re: Potential 2nd PTBNL from Denorfia trade? A righty bat would make a bit more sense, I think.

04-29-2007, 10:37 PM	#6
TeamSelig Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,727	Re: Potential 2nd PTBNL from Denorfia trade? Good thinking. Sorry if I've missed this, I've been pretty busy, but does anyone think the PTBNL is just the rights to Jared Burton? According to what i've read, McBeth seems to be a pretty decent prospect. Him, along with cash is a pretty fair deal for Denorfia who wasn't that highly regarded. I just thought that it was Burton right off the bat, but who knows?

04-29-2007, 10:41 PM	#10
TeamSelig Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 3,727	Re: Potential 2nd PTBNL from Denorfia trade? Okay, thanks. Wasn't sure about that. Do the A's have any expendable MIFers? What about a 3rd catcher for us?

04-30-2007, 12:33 AM	#11
BearcatShane Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cincinnati/Colerain Posts: 1,256	Re: Potential 2nd PTBNL from Denorfia trade? I thought a PTBNL could not be on the major league roster? Last edited by BearcatShane; 04-30-2007 at 01:18 AM.

04-30-2007, 01:13 AM	#12
AmarilloRed Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Amarillo,Texas Posts: 4,000	Re: Potential 2nd PTBNL from Denorfia trade? He said he was close to major league ready not major league.

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