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redsupport · 06-03-2007, 08:03 PM

I guess not good enough for this illustrious, Reds staff. Where wopuld they be on the depth chart, probably behind Majewski, Stanton and Cormier

boognish · 06-03-2007, 08:08 PM

Don't know much about Moseley (though Anaheim is a pitcher's park), but I have the feeling Germano would look a lot like those guys with the Reds since he doesn't miss the bat at all.

That said, the Reds could really use a swingman like Germano and he should never have been traded for the now-retired Cormier.

redsfanmia · 06-03-2007, 08:15 PM

Hindsite is 20/20. The Reds shouldnt have left Trevor Hoffman unprotected in the expansion draft, he would look pretty good a the end of the bullpen about now.

boognish · 06-03-2007, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by redsfanmia

Hindsite is 20/20. The Reds shouldnt have left Trevor Hoffman unprotected in the expansion draft, he would look pretty good a the end of the bullpen about now.

...and about the past 1.5 decades

HokieRed · 06-03-2007, 08:21 PM

Not only hindsight but also foresight is sometimes 20/20. There were a lot of people who didn't think it made much sense to protect Tim Pugh at the expense of Trevor Hoffman. Also, I watched Germano pitch on TV last night. Everything he throws moves and last night he certainly had command. He threw a couple of sinkers at 87 that were unhittable. We'll see how he develops as a starter. To say that he could not have been introduced last year into the bullpen at least as effectively as anybody we've found since just won't stand up. Krivsky's evaluation of talent looks worse every day.

redsupport · 06-03-2007, 08:54 PM

but guys keep defending krivsky, what is the excuse for trading germano, he had one start with reds and pitched better than Milton

nw_ohio_fan · 06-03-2007, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by HokieRed

Krivsky's evaluation of talent looks worse every day.

It does. I will admit last year I thought he knew what he was doing with getting Bronson and Brandon Phillips. Then he does the stupid deal with Washington. Then goes hog wild for bullpen. We don't have anything really to show from last year.

Krivsky has to be the talk on the GM circle. They all know he can be taken.

Mutaman · 06-03-2007, 10:45 PM

Does anybody know the last decent pitcher produced by the Reds organization? Was it Scott Williamson ( who I consider a decent pitcher who was ruined by Trader Jack.) How many pitchers has the organization produced besides Him and Hoffman? Granted Narron is no Sparky, and I'm staring to bail on Wayne, but I think the real problem with this team is that their minor leagues can't produce one kid who can come up here and get a few people out. Isn't that the real problem with the Cincinnati Reds and hasn't that been the real problem for the past decade or so?

HokieRed · 06-03-2007, 11:15 PM

Agreed, which is why--for all his blunders--I like Dan O'Brien. Bailey, Fisher, Wood, Cueto, Gonzalez, Germano, Stevens, Ward. That's the best group of quality arms we've had in the minor leagues in a long time.

ChatterRed · 06-03-2007, 11:17 PM

They had John Wetteland in their hands and let him get away too.

redsupport · 06-04-2007, 01:18 AM

hey they developed curt lyons who was undefeated as well as the great kevin jarvis

Topcat · 06-04-2007, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by redsupport

I guess not good enough for this illustrious, Reds staff. Where wopuld they be on the depth chart, probably behind Majewski, Stanton and Cormier

Ah revisionary history................. makes a person look like a genius doesn't it?

camisadelgolf · 06-04-2007, 06:56 AM

Krivsky traded a guy who everyone said had a ceiling of, at best, back-of-the-rotation starter for a guy who led the league in relief ERA. At the time, I wasn't crazy about the deal, but I don't think anyone looked at it and thought it was a ridiculous deal, which is how some people seem to interpret it now. As it's been said, hindsight is 20/20.

With that said, Germano is no longer pitching at GABP and is now pitching in San Diego--I think that makes a huge difference. That's also not to mention that there is a very small sample size. Don't get me wrong--the Reds got the worse end of the deal. But it's not nearly as bad as it looks on paper right now.

HokieRed · 06-04-2007, 10:38 AM

Why is there so much excuse-making for Krivsky? It's not as if the Germano deal is the only time he's missed. He's been trying for a solid year to improve the bullpen and it has only gotten worse.

redsfanfalcon · 06-04-2007, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutaman

Does anybody know the last decent pitcher produced by the Reds organization? Was it Scott Williamson ( who I consider a decent pitcher who was ruined by Trader Jack.) How many pitchers has the organization produced besides Him and Hoffman? Granted Narron is no Sparky, and I'm staring to bail on Wayne, but I think the real problem with this team is that their minor leagues can't produce one kid who can come up here and get a few people out. Isn't that the real problem with the Cincinnati Reds and hasn't that been the real problem for the past decade or so?

And one Tom Browning!

06-03-2007, 08:03 PM	#1
redsupport Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,783	germano and mosley I guess not good enough for this illustrious, Reds staff. Where wopuld they be on the depth chart, probably behind Majewski, Stanton and Cormier

06-03-2007, 08:08 PM	#2
boognish Roster glue Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Covington Posts: 520	Re: germano and mosley Don't know much about Moseley (though Anaheim is a pitcher's park), but I have the feeling Germano would look a lot like those guys with the Reds since he doesn't miss the bat at all. That said, the Reds could really use a swingman like Germano and he should never have been traded for the now-retired Cormier. __________________ Reds record when I am in attendance 2006-2009: 11-36 Reds record when I am in attendance 2010: 4-5

06-03-2007, 08:15 PM	#3
redsfanmia Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: indianapolis, IN Posts: 3,452	Re: germano and mosley Hindsite is 20/20. The Reds shouldnt have left Trevor Hoffman unprotected in the expansion draft, he would look pretty good a the end of the bullpen about now. __________________ I was in the ORG once, best 6 months of my life.

06-03-2007, 08:21 PM	#5
HokieRed Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,042	Re: germano and mosley Not only hindsight but also foresight is sometimes 20/20. There were a lot of people who didn't think it made much sense to protect Tim Pugh at the expense of Trevor Hoffman. Also, I watched Germano pitch on TV last night. Everything he throws moves and last night he certainly had command. He threw a couple of sinkers at 87 that were unhittable. We'll see how he develops as a starter. To say that he could not have been introduced last year into the bullpen at least as effectively as anybody we've found since just won't stand up. Krivsky's evaluation of talent looks worse every day.

06-03-2007, 08:54 PM	#6
redsupport Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,783	Re: germano and mosley but guys keep defending krivsky, what is the excuse for trading germano, he had one start with reds and pitched better than Milton

06-03-2007, 10:45 PM	#8
Mutaman Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,884	Re: germano and mosley Does anybody know the last decent pitcher produced by the Reds organization? Was it Scott Williamson ( who I consider a decent pitcher who was ruined by Trader Jack.) How many pitchers has the organization produced besides Him and Hoffman? Granted Narron is no Sparky, and I'm staring to bail on Wayne, but I think the real problem with this team is that their minor leagues can't produce one kid who can come up here and get a few people out. Isn't that the real problem with the Cincinnati Reds and hasn't that been the real problem for the past decade or so?

06-03-2007, 11:15 PM	#9
HokieRed Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,042	Re: germano and mosley Agreed, which is why--for all his blunders--I like Dan O'Brien. Bailey, Fisher, Wood, Cueto, Gonzalez, Germano, Stevens, Ward. That's the best group of quality arms we've had in the minor leagues in a long time.

06-03-2007, 11:17 PM	#10
ChatterRed Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Blue Ash Posts: 2,616	Re: germano and mosley They had John Wetteland in their hands and let him get away too. __________________ Who's on first?

06-04-2007, 01:18 AM	#11
redsupport Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,783	Re: germano and mosley hey they developed curt lyons who was undefeated as well as the great kevin jarvis

06-04-2007, 06:56 AM	#13
camisadelgolf Vampire Weekend @Bernie's Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 11,311	Re: germano and mosley Krivsky traded a guy who everyone said had a ceiling of, at best, back-of-the-rotation starter for a guy who led the league in relief ERA. At the time, I wasn't crazy about the deal, but I don't think anyone looked at it and thought it was a ridiculous deal, which is how some people seem to interpret it now. As it's been said, hindsight is 20/20. With that said, Germano is no longer pitching at GABP and is now pitching in San Diego--I think that makes a huge difference. That's also not to mention that there is a very small sample size. Don't get me wrong--the Reds got the worse end of the deal. But it's not nearly as bad as it looks on paper right now.

06-04-2007, 10:38 AM	#14
HokieRed Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,042	Re: germano and mosley Why is there so much excuse-making for Krivsky? It's not as if the Germano deal is the only time he's missed. He's been trying for a solid year to improve the bullpen and it has only gotten worse.

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