Stubbs (scout comment at Midwest League All-star Game)

[Chi-Town Red]

Thanks for the report RED LEADER..looking forward to hearing more..

[hebroncougar]

Originally Posted by Aronchis

You aren't getting it. Stubbs's struggle I bet was completely expected from the FO, matter of fact, if it didn't happen, they would be outright shocked.

He wasn't drafted for his bat. Something you will have to come to grips with.

If he wasn't drafted for his bat, then he sure as heck had no business going #8 overall. If you're drafted that high, you'd better be able to hit and field.

[fearofpopvol1]

I really wonder what Krivsky and the scouts saw in him. I've gotta believe this was the worst 1st round pick for the Reds in years.

[pahster]

Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1

I really wonder what Krivsky and the scouts saw in him. I've gotta believe this was the worst 1st round pick for the Reds in years.

2000 - David Espinosa
2001 - Jeremy Sowers (because of the lack of intent to sign him)
2002 - Chris Grueler

Stubbs may never be more than a 4th OF, but thats better than any pick from these three years.

[reds44]

Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1

I really wonder what Krivsky and the scouts saw in him. I've gotta believe this was the worst 1st round pick for the Reds in years.

Can we see what actually happens ot him before we start calling him a bust? I'm not willing to give up a guy who just completed his first year in the system. If Stubbs ever makes it to the majors it will make him better then alot of first round picks. With his glove, there is a better chance then not he makes it to the majors. I don't think he was a good pick, but he's not one of the worst in years.

[Ravenlord]

his physical attributes remind me of a right handed hitting Reggie Taylor. his stats, outside of his walk rate, remind me of Taylor as well.

[KittyDuran]

Originally Posted by pahster

2000 - David Espinosa
2001 - Jeremy Sowers (because of the lack of intent to sign him)
2002 - Chris Grueler

Stubbs may never be more than a 4th OF, but thats better than any pick from these three years.

Funny, I was thinking about comparing Stubbs (in a way) with Espinosa. Espinosa (IIRC) along with Mosley and Sardina (sp?) bypassed Billings and went to Dayton/Stockton (High A team at the time). David was also on a good team in Dayton (2001). I don't remember David struggling so much at the plate (he didn't blow me away - but that was the year of the sluggers - Peters, Ruiz, Pena) but at SS he was an adventure. Is he still with the Detroit organization and converted to OF?

[fearofpopvol1]

Originally Posted by reds44

Can we see what actually happens ot him before we start calling him a bust? I'm not willing to give up a guy who just completed his first year in the system. If Stubbs ever makes it to the majors it will make him better then alot of first round picks. With his glove, there is a better chance then not he makes it to the majors. I don't think he was a good pick, but he's not one of the worst in years.

I didn't say he was going to be a bust. I'm rooting for the guy. However, up until this point (especially when you consider where he was picked and his age), he has not played to the level that the organization had expected he would. There is a difference.

[pahster]

Originally Posted by KittyDuran

Funny, I was thinking about comparing Stubbs (in a way) with Espinosa. Espinosa (IIRC) along with Mosley and Sardina (sp?) bypassed Billings and went to Dayton/Stockton (High A team at the time). David was also on a good team in Dayton (2001). I don't remember David struggling so much at the plate (he didn't blow me away - but that was the year of the sluggers - Peters, Ruiz, Pena) but at SS he was an adventure. Is he still with the Detroit organization and converted to OF?

Espinosa is with AAA Toledo right now and putting up a sterling .540 OPS as an OF.

Not counting 2007, here's Espinosa's career minor league line - .261/.357/.409/.766

That'd be ok if he were playing great defense at SS, but of course, he's not. I give Stubbs a dubious nod over Espinosa because he, by all accounts I've been exposed to, actually plays good defense at a key position.

Espinosa, has, though, put up an OPS above .800 in AAA once (last year).

[HokieRed]

Sometimes guys "make it" too because they've been chosen in the high rounds--in other words, the rep. of their FO's is at stake. We don't want that to happen in this case. I'm absolutely rooting for the guy. A combination of power and defensive ability is not easy to come by. Let's just hope he can learn to make more and harder contact.

[AmarilloRed]

There are high expectations of players selected in the 1st round of the amateur draft. Drew Stubbs still has time to prove his doubters wrong, but people will keep whispering bust unless he shows some progress.

[New Fever]

From Baseball Prospectus Chat Today:

Daniel (Cincinnati, OH): Should Reds fans start to be worried about Drew Stubbs. I know he's never going to hit a lot better than the .247 clip that he's hitting right now for Dayton, but the .363 slugging percentage has got to raise some eyebrows, doesn't it?

Kevin Goldstein: Yeah, that's the thing, you really nailed it there -- if he's not going to hit for much of an average (and he's not), were back to secondary skills, and he's not hitting enough to tap into his power. It's not going well by any measurement. Cheer up though, lots of good talent on that Dayton team. Just a TON of it.

[Benihana]

Originally Posted by New Fever

From Baseball Prospectus Chat Today:

Cheer up though, lots of good talent on that Dayton team. Just a TON of it.

Valaika, Francisco, Gonzalez

Who else could he be referring to? Justin Turner?

[Red Leader]

Originally Posted by Benihana

Valaika, Francisco, Gonzalez

Who else could he be referring to? Justin Turner?

Valaika, Francisco, Gonzalez, and Turner are the main guys. Watson just left. All 5 of those guys should be starting major leaguers at some point. That's a big statement for a Low A team.

Besides those guys: Heisey, Parker, Terrell Young, Webb, Mateo, and Viola all have a lot of talent and could be impact players. Jordan Smith could join that list, too, as he throws hard - seems to just need more experience and more time developing his stuff. Stubbs is talented, too, make no mistake about that.

[New Fever]

Watson, Jordan Smith, and the relief guys. Watson was still on the team at the all-star game.