As the Rumor Mill turns...

[Joseph]

Rumor mill excitement for this Wednesday for all to enjoy:

-The Yanks are in on Conine. More interest is always better. Let's roll out the welcome mat for an A-ball arm.

-Texieria to the Braves seem likely. Saltalamacchia and an arm the likely 'windfall'. These are the kinds of deal Cox and co always manage to pull out of their hat. I wouldn't be shocked to see Big Tex re-up with the Braves despite talk of wanting to play in Baltimore.

-Octavio Dotel for Wilson Betemit? Maybe so. Depends on how much the Dodgers want the reliever.

-The Mariners might deal Richie Sexon to make room for Adam Jones in the OF. I'm sure the Reds are in on this deal </sarcasm>

-Konerko might be on the move to the Halos, which would spell doom for any Dunn to LA rumors. They are our best match in my opinion, so if anyone wants Dunn gone, they'd better root for the Pale hose not to do this deal.

-The Nats are supposedly looking to add seasoned vets who project at 'A' type compensation free agents, just for the draft picks. Interesting strategy....I guess.

-The Yanks aren't interested in trading Joba Chamberlain. He's only a notch below Phil Hughes [supposedly] in Cashman's eyes. If a team is interested in prospects from the Yanks, start with Tabata apparently as Joba is off the table.

-Robinson Cano for Jon Garland anyone? How many times have we heard Garland for Griffey? Maybe Kenny Williams finally makes a deal instead of just blathering on and on about Ozzie Guillen.

-Kielty is an option to replace Wily Mo Pena in Boston. Oh my how the mighty have fallen.

-Livan Hernandez is on the block....AGAIN.

-The Braves still want another pitcher. Apparently Wayne and JS don't have one anothers cell phone numbers, or Kyle Lohse can't be pawned off at all.

-Jermaine Dye to the Brewers? How many OFers does one team need?

-Manny Delcarmen is available, Wayne must be salivating at the thought of another bullpen move.

-The Mets want Conine too. Apparently the loss of Julio Franco skewed their age too young and they miss someone getting a discount at Denny's.

-The Phillies want Lohse, but won't give up much. Well thats ok, we didn't give up much to get him, so why not.


Discuss, enjoy, roll your eyes.

[Chip R]

I had a dream the other day - well not necessarily a dream - but I woke up convinced that the Reds traded Dunn to the White Sox.

[TOBTTReds]

-The Nats are supposedly looking to add seasoned vets who project at 'A' type compensation free agents, just for the draft picks. Interesting strategy....I guess.

I personally think it is a great strategy, as long as you don't get stuck with them by offering arb. But knowing Washington, I don't think players will accept.

[smith288]

Originally Posted by Chip R

I had a dream the other day - well not necessarily a dream - but I woke up convinced that the Reds traded Dunn to the White Sox.

You mean a nightmare?

[KoryMac5]

The Yankees are going to bring Chamberlin up depending on how his next start goes and put him in relief. He has a great fastball and Cashman believes he will be a nice addition to the pen.

Haven't heard much about Konerko, if that trade is made the White Sox would have really dismantled that roster from the team that was their a couple of years ago.

As far as Dunn goes I think he stays put, that contract scares away too many teams. Lohse, Connine and maybe Stanton and Weathers will be moved.

[RedsFan75]

Hah! The way it's going, I'm not real convinced anyone gets moved.


Sorry, my skepticism is showing!

[Red Leader]

Originally Posted by RedsFan75

Hah! The way it's going, I'm not real convinced anyone gets moved.


Sorry, my skepticism is showing!

I agree. As the deadline approaches I'm thinking it's less and less likely anyone will get moved. I think it's almost certainty that Dunn or Jr. won't get moved. I thought at one time that at least one of those two would go, not anymore. Also, I'm not sure that Weathers will get moved. He has a pretty affordable option for next year and the Reds need him badly in the pen. Stanton, I don't think has any suitors, if he does, he'll go. Conine will likely go. Hatteberg, I don't think, will go. That's going to leave us with LH 1B Hatteberg and LH 1B Votto in September and possibly next year. How do you split up those starts unless you plan on getting rid of Dunn this offseason?

[Ltlabner]

The Reds find themselves in the same place they were at the start of the month, sitting on commodities that they think are more valuable than everyone else does. I'm not saying they're right or wrong, but the idea that this is a pure seller's market isn't true. There's a very limited group of teams that need Ken Griffey, Jr. and none of those--save the Cubs--are on his list of places he'd go. Adam Dunn is willing to go anywhere, knowing he'll cash in on the free agent market if he's dealt, but thus far, no one has met Krivsky's price; given what I'm hearing, I don't think that price is coming down. The Reds have spurned any feelers on David Weathers, and are trying to push Todd Coffey instead.

From todays "The Mill" on BP.com.

I really don't understand the last sentence, assuming it's true. That's just a plain head scratcher.

[Guacarock]

Originally Posted by Chip R

I had a dream the other day - well not necessarily a dream - but I woke up convinced that the Reds traded Dunn to the White Sox.

If the Reds don't trade Dunn before the July 31 deadline, I can see them trying to swing a late season or off-season deal with the White Sox involving 3B Joe Crede. Crede is still on the DL now, but due back in action sometime in September. He would give the Reds the legitimate RH power bat now lacking from the middle of the lineup, plus presumably improve the 3B defense -- if his back injuries haven't slowed him down enormously. EE's long-term tenure at 3B does look a little shaky. And the White Sox aren't that beholden to Crede, after having already broken in his replacement -- Josh Field.

[Red Leader]

Originally Posted by Ltlabner

From todays "The Mill" on BP.com.

I really don't understand the last sentence, assuming it's true. That's just a plain head scratcher.

Not really a head scratcher, IMO. Weather's has a very affordable option for next year. It would be kind of stupid for the Reds to trade him and then look for someone exactly like him (for the same $) this offseason. Might as well keep him. As for Coffey, I think the Reds have soured on him and regret handing out his contract. They're trying to pawn those dollars off on someone else now by building him up to be "a young David Weathers." I bet they're hoping by stating that, he'll net more than he's worth. I doubt it works.

[BrooklynRedz]

Originally Posted by Guacarock

If the Reds don't trade Dunn before the July 31 deadline, I can see them trying to swing a late season or off-season deal with the White Sox involving 3B Joe Crede. Crede is still on the DL now, but due back in action sometime in September. He would give the Reds the legitimate RH power bat now lacking from the middle of the lineup, plus presumably improve the 3B defense -- if his back injuries haven't slowed him down enormously. EE's long-term tenure at 3B does look a little shaky. And the White Sox aren't that beholden to Crede, after having already broken in his replacement -- Josh Field.

Your love for Joe Crede -- an injured Joe Crede at that -- is odd. Your desire to deal Adam Dunn for said Joe Crede is hella strange.

[Ltlabner]

Originally Posted by Red Leader

Not really a head scratcher, IMO. Weather's has a very affordable option for next year. It would be kind of stupid for the Reds to trade him and then look for someone exactly like him (for the same $) this offseason. Might as well keep him. As for Coffey, I think the Reds have soured on him and regret handing out his contract. They're trying to pawn those dollars off on someone else now by building him up to be "a young David Weathers." I bet they're hoping by stating that, he'll net more than he's worth. I doubt it works.

I'm up in the air about Weathers. He's done well this year, certinally better than I thought he would. I don't have too much issue if they bring him back, but to "spurn any feelers" on him? Is he that hot of a commidity that they wouldn't even listen to any offers? Maybe it's just the phrase the author used, but if that's true it's weird that of all people he'd be on the "untouchable" list to the point they wouldn't even discuss him with other teams.

As far as Coffey goes this is a horrable time to try to trade him. He needs some serrious development. Hire a special coach for him. Send him to Louisville with a full assurance that he will be on the team next year and let him get his head together (instead of sending him down for a week). Make it a special mission to get the kid's head on straight. He's got tallent. He's young. He's inexpensive. Why sell low on him? If they get a great return, by all means send him packing. However, I can't believe he'll garner much in return now.

If he comes back in 2008 and stinks then do what you can. The return then will be just as bad as it is now. Why not give a potenally viable asset every last chance before giving up on him?

[Kc61]

Originally Posted by Guacarock

If the Reds don't trade Dunn before the July 31 deadline, I can see them trying to swing a late season or off-season deal with the White Sox involving 3B Joe Crede. Crede is still on the DL now, but due back in action sometime in September. He would give the Reds the legitimate RH power bat now lacking from the middle of the lineup, plus presumably improve the 3B defense -- if his back injuries haven't slowed him down enormously. EE's long-term tenure at 3B does look a little shaky. And the White Sox aren't that beholden to Crede, after having already broken in his replacement -- Josh Field.

Reds can't trade Dunn in the off-season. He will be a free agent or, if the Reds exercise his option, he will have a no-trade, according to reports.

They can trade him until 8/31 if he clears waivers. Hard to see him clearing, though, because someone would simply have to pick up his contract for the rest of this year, which many teams would do (without having to trade for him).

As for Weathers, people want to trade him, but keep in mind that next year the Reds will have to cover all nine innings with pitchers in each game. Better have a good replacement in mind.

[KoryMac5]

Rosenthal just on The Beat with Steiner. He says Dunn will get dealt he just doesn't know where. The picture still is very unclear. The Nationals have indeed expressed interest but don't have much to offer. The Angels clearly want someone else but may come around to Dunn if they can't get Konerko. The Yankees have Giambi coming back and they view Dunn as a Giambi clone.

[Red Leader]

Originally Posted by Ltlabner

I'm up in the air about Weathers. He's done well this year, certinally better than I thought he would. I don't have too much issue if they bring him back, but to "spurn any feelers" on him? Is he that hot of a commidity that they wouldn't even listen to any offers? Maybe it's just the phrase the author used, but if that's true it's weird that of all people he'd be on the "untouchable" list to the point they wouldn't even discuss him with other teams.

You're forgetting who you are dealing with here (Krivsky) and his fetish for the bullpen. The bullpen will once again be one of the main focuses of the offseason and I can just picture Krivsky crying imagining himself going into next year without Weathers, screaming "Why?!? Why did I trade you and your $3M salary. I want you back!! I need you back, David!!"