September Call-Ups

[AmarilloRed]

August is only 1 day old, but I am already waiting for September. I would like it if Votto would be called up in August, but I realize Conine and Bellhorn are important members of this team. I am dedicating this thread to the players the Sun Deck wants to see in September. I will suggest Bruce, Bailey and Votto for now, and consider other possibilities after I check the Louisville roster. I would expect Bailey would be off the DL by September

[reds44]

Should Be
Joey Votto
Chris Dickerson
Aaron Herr
Marcus McBeth
Brad Salmon

May Be's
Homer Bailey
Jay Bruce
Johnny Cueto

[757690]

(If Not Up Already)
Bailey
Majewski
Bray
Cantu
Salmon
McBeth
Ramirez
Moeller

I can't see any wisdom in bringing up Bruce or Cueto and starting their MLB time.

[TheOnlyRedsFan]

Moeller?

for moral support i hope?

[Degenerate39]

Originally Posted by 757690

(If Not Up Already)
Bailey
Majewski
Bray
Cantu
Salmon
McBeth
Ramirez
Moeller

I can't see any wisdom in bringing up Bruce or Cueto and starting their MLB time.

I'd pass on Cantu and Moeller

[757690]

Are you kidding me? WK had Moeller up under a 25 man roster, why do you think he wouldn't under a 40 man roster?
Anyway, teams always bring up extra catchers in September...remember Glen Sutko?
As for Cantu, WK told him he would get as many at bats as possible, so I would assume that meant a September call up.
These moves don't cost much as Moeller and Cantu are on major league contracts and will get paid regardless. Also, most players called up don't play much, mostly there for insurance so really not a big deal either way.

[ChatterRed]

Votto
Bruce
Bailey
Cantu
Dumatrait
Majewski
Bray
McBeth
Salmon
Ramirez

......but no way they bring that many up and have to pay them the big bucks.

[DannyB]

Votto...just Votto
Then I would like to see this lineup everyday

Hamilton
Dunn
Jr
Edwin
Votto
Phillips
Ross
Gonzales

[REDblooded]

i posted this in a minor league thread, but I am one who believes Bruce SHOULD be called up in September. I think, if he is in the plans for next season, he should get called up into a low pressure situation. He'd be coming up during a lost season, without the expectations of being a savior. Not only that, but I'd like to see him acclimated to the big league game so he can get rid of all of the jitters this year, and know what he needs to work on during the offseason to truely become the special player that he is cabable of being.

[ChatterRed]

I agree about Bruce. No harm giving him a taste of the major leagues under no pressure.

[klw]

40-Man Roster
Pitchers B/T Ht Wt DOB
61 Bronson Arroyo R/R 6-5 195 02/24/77
* 34 Homer Bailey R/R 6-4 205 05/03/86
31 Matt Belisle R/R 6-3 230 06/06/80
* 45 Bill Bray L/L 6-3 220 06/05/83
51 Jared Burton R/R 6-5 230 06/02/81
56 Todd Coffey R/R 6-5 255 09/09/80
40 Jon Coutlangus L/L 6-1 185 10/21/80
50 Phil Dumatrait R/L 6-2 200 07/12/81
36 Mike Gosling L/L 6-2 210 09/23/80
** 81 Eddie Guardado R/L 6-0 225 10/02/70 60-day Disabled List
39 Aaron Harang R/R 6-7 275 05/09/78
37 Bobby Livingston L/L 6-3 205 09/03/82
* 38 Gary Majewski R/R 6-1 220 02/26/80
* 59 Marcus McBeth R/R 6-2 195 08/23/80
** 22 Eric Milton L/L 6-3 220 08/04/75 60-day Disabled List
* 54 Elizardo Ramirez L/R 6-0 190 01/28/83
* 53 Brad Salmon L/R 6-4 225 01/03/80
57 Victor Santos R/R 6-2 205 10/02/76
* -- Alexander Smit L/L 6-3 210 10/02/85
29 Mike Stanton L/L 6-1 215 06/02/67
25 David Weathers R/R 6-3 235 09/25/69


Catchers B/T Ht Wt DOB
26 David Ross R/R 6-2 240 03/19/77
17 Javier Valentin S/R 5-10 215 09/19/75


Infielders B/T Ht Wt DOB
7 Mark Bellhorn S/R 6-1 205 08/23/74
* -- Jorge Cantu R/R 6-3 200 01/30/82
* 9 Juan Castro R/R 5-11 190 06/20/72 15-day Disabled List
19 Jeff Conine R/R 6-1 225 06/27/66
12 Edwin Encarnacion R/R 6-1 215 01/07/83
** 34 Jerry Gil R/R 6-3 200 10/14/82 60-day Disabled List
2 Alex Gonzalez R/R 6-0 200 02/15/77
21 Scott Hatteberg L/R 6-1 210 12/14/69
27 Jeff Keppinger R/R 6-0 180 04/21/80
* 58 Pedro Lopez R/R 6-1 160 04/28/84 15-day Disabled List
4 Brandon Phillips R/R 6-0 195 06/28/81
* 60 Joey Votto L/R 6-3 220 09/10/83

Outfielders B/T Ht Wt DOB
* 63 Chris Dickerson L/L 6-3 225 04/10/82
44 Adam Dunn L/R 6-6 275 11/09/79
6 Ryan Freel R/R 5-10 185 03/08/76
3 Ken Griffey L/L 6-3 230 11/21/69
* 33 Josh Hamilton L/L 6-4 235 05/21/81 15-day Disabled List
30 Norris Hopper R/R 5-10 210 03/24/79

* Not on Active Roster
** Not on 40-Man Roster


By my count there are 38 players on the 40 man plus the 3 on the 60 day disabled list. figure Guardado will be active meaning 1 player can be added barring ady subtractions via trades. So come September the Reds should add Bray, Majewski, Salmon, McBeth, Ramirez, Smit, Cantu, Votto, and Dickerson. One other can be added who is off of the 40 man- I vote Guevara or Bruce.
I think Bailey shold stay in AAA and get a few starts under his belt once he is healthy. Hopefully he will prove to be strong after a couple of starts. Then he should be shut down for the season to prevent unnecessary inning build-up at this stage. There is no reason to have him throw more than a few innings once he can show himself that he is back to being effective.

[Slyder]

Originally Posted by 757690

(If Not Up Already)
Bailey
Majewski
Bray
Cantu
Salmon
McBeth
Ramirez
Moeller

I can't see any wisdom in bringing up Bruce or Cueto and starting their MLB time.

If theyre ready why not?

I agree with that list plus whoever is sent down for Hamilton and Herr for some infield depth.

This team is so far out of it there has to be someone you can ditch to open a roster spot up for. My personal belief is that you throw Stanton on the waiver wire and if he clears tell em goodbye.

[AmarilloRed]

My List:
Votto
Elizardo Ramirez
Chris Dickerson
Jorge Cantu
Bill Bray
Brad Salmon
Jay Bruce
Homer Bailey if healthy
Aaron Herr

[kaldaniels]

I am the first to admit that I don't fully understand the major league service time stuff. Let me ask this question as it will help me understand it more.

Is there any ramifications say, to calling up Bruce for the month of Sept and then have him beginning next year in AAA with a May 1 callup where he stays in the bigs from then on.

vs

Bruce staying in AAA this year, with him starting April 1 on the Reds roster, staying there for good.

In each case the ML roster time is about the same, but his debut comes earlier in situation 1. Any drawback to that???

[NoColonBoy]

Originally Posted by kaldaniels

I am the first to admit that I don't fully understand the major league service time stuff. Let me ask this question as it will help me understand it more.

Is there any ramifications say, to calling up Bruce for the month of Sept and then have him beginning next year in AAA with a May 1 callup where he stays in the bigs from then on.

vs

Bruce staying in AAA this year, with him starting April 1 on the Reds roster, staying there for good.

In each case the ML roster time is about the same, but his debut comes earlier in situation 1. Any drawback to that???

His MLB service time would be the same in both situations. It is rare that a team can systematically work that out--if the Reds want Bruce as an every day player next year, sending him to the minors for 30 days doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and if the Reds don't want Bruce as an every day player, he ought to play every day in the minors.

The MLB service time "game" was a huge issue in early labor negotiations. The players union was mindful that teams could call players up on May 1, June 1, etc. to try to get around the arbitration rules. As a result, the "Super 2s" were born. Under the labor agreement, a certain percentage of players with 2+ years (but less than 3) in service time are eligible for arbitration each year and are called "Super 2s."