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Joseph · 08-17-2007, 10:10 AM

Don't know if this is posted anywhere yet, it didn't come up in a search anyway, but Elizardo is listed as the starter for Saturday now.

BRM · 08-17-2007, 10:11 AM

The Post is reporting that Ramirez is the likely starter.

RedsManRick · 08-17-2007, 11:02 AM

I like it! Seems like he's been around awhile, but he's just 24. PECOTA had him at a 5.07 ERA for 2007. Certainly has limited upside, but I think he could be a solid, above average, back of the rotation guy on the cheap through his arb years. That said, I'm not quite sure he offers anything we couldn't already get from Belisle. Any whispers of Belisle going back to relief?

fearofpopvol1 · 08-17-2007, 11:55 AM

At this juncture, it seems that either Belisle or the lizard are better options than Phil D. I'm not convinced any of them are worthy of the rotation, though...

Joseph · 08-17-2007, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by fearofpopvol1

At this juncture, it seems that either Belisle or the lizard are better options than Phil D. I'm not convinced any of them are worthy of the rotation, though...

At least last year when EZ went to the mound I didn't expect 7 runs to be surrendered each time. With PD i do.

fearofpopvol1 · 08-17-2007, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Joseph

At least last year when EZ went to the mound I didn't expect 7 runs to be surrendered each time. With PD i do.

No, I agree with you. Phil D is definitely the worst option. I'm just not sure any of those 3 are good enough for any rotation not named the Reds.

mbgrayson · 08-17-2007, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RedsManRick

Any whispers of Belisle going back to relief?

Belisle has pitched once now at Louisville. He started, pitched six innings, gave up 4 runs (2 earned), 7 hits, 2 walks, and 7 K's.

Looks like they are keeping him stretched out to start for now....

Rojo · 08-17-2007, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RedsManRick

That said, I'm not quite sure he offers anything we couldn't already get from Belisle. Any whispers of Belisle going back to relief?

I think the last part is key. Belisle could really be usefull in the pen. And if you get no fall-off in the rotation by sticking Elizardo in there, its a slam dunk.

Eric_Davis · 08-17-2007, 07:06 PM

Keep plugging them out there. Someone will develop.

Highlifeman21 · 08-17-2007, 11:53 PM

It wouldn't be a Reds season until Elizardo Ramirez or DeWayne Wise make an appearance on the 25 man roster.

How we doin so far?

Big Klu · 08-18-2007, 12:28 PM

Who goes to make room for the Lizard King? My guess is Phil Dumatrait or Victor Santos.

KronoRed · 08-18-2007, 01:40 PM

Anyone but Stanton

JaxRed · 08-18-2007, 01:54 PM

I say Santos. If your the Reds you still want to give Phil 2-3 evaluation starts.

Big Klu · 08-18-2007, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JaxRed

I say Santos. If your the Reds you still want to give Phil 2-3 evaluation starts.

I agree. They could designate Santos for assignment, lose him, and still have someone just like him waiting at Louisville if necessary in Kirk Saarloos.

If they send down Dumatrait (who is scheduled to start Monday vs. the Braves), then they would likely have to move Livingston up one day, and recall Belisle for Tuesday's game. (I think Tuesday is the earliest Belisle can be recalled.)

fearofpopvol1 · 08-18-2007, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JaxRed

I say Santos. If your the Reds you still want to give Phil 2-3 evaluation starts.

He's already had 3 and 2 of them were absolutely brutal. I'm not sure he's worthy of 2-3 more. I'd give him at least 1 more, but if he implodes again, time to send him back down to 3a.

08-17-2007, 10:10 AM	#1
Joseph Tired of talk. Win! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 8,125	Elizardo to start Saturday. Don't know if this is posted anywhere yet, it didn't come up in a search anyway, but Elizardo is listed as the starter for Saturday now. __________________ Championships for MY teams in my lifetime: Cincinnati Reds - 75, 76, 90 Chicago Blackhawks - 10 University of Kentucky - 78, 96, 98, 12 Cincinnati Bengals - None Chicago Bulls - 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98

08-17-2007, 10:11 AM	#2
BRM Let's ride Join Date: May 2004 Location: Colorado's eastern plains Posts: 11,232	Re: Elizardo to start Saturday. The Post is reporting that Ramirez is the likely starter.

08-17-2007, 11:02 AM	#3
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,921	Re: Elizardo to start Saturday. I like it! Seems like he's been around awhile, but he's just 24. PECOTA had him at a 5.07 ERA for 2007. Certainly has limited upside, but I think he could be a solid, above average, back of the rotation guy on the cheap through his arb years. That said, I'm not quite sure he offers anything we couldn't already get from Belisle. Any whispers of Belisle going back to relief? __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance. Last edited by RedsManRick; 08-17-2007 at 12:26 PM.

08-17-2007, 11:55 AM	#4
fearofpopvol1 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 8,634	Re: Elizardo to start Saturday. At this juncture, it seems that either Belisle or the lizard are better options than Phil D. I'm not convinced any of them are worthy of the rotation, though...

08-17-2007, 07:06 PM	#9
Eric_Davis Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Portland, Or Posts: 5,041	Re: Elizardo to start Saturday. Keep plugging them out there. Someone will develop. __________________ Rob Neyer: "Any writer who says he'd be a better manager than the worst manager is either 1) lying (i.e. 'using poetic license') or 2) patently delusional. Which isn't to say managers don't do stupid things that you or I wouldn't."

08-17-2007, 11:53 PM	#10
Highlifeman21 Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bristol, just around the corner from ESPN Posts: 8,694	Re: Elizardo to start Saturday. It wouldn't be a Reds season until Elizardo Ramirez or DeWayne Wise make an appearance on the 25 man roster. How we doin so far?

08-18-2007, 12:28 PM	#11
Big Klu Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Cambridge, OH Posts: 16,274	Re: Elizardo to start Saturday. Who goes to make room for the Lizard King? My guess is Phil Dumatrait or Victor Santos. __________________ Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser....Americans play to win all of the time. I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed...the very idea of losing is hateful to an American. Gen. George S. Patton, Jr.

08-18-2007, 01:40 PM	#12
KronoRed The Lineups stink. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: West N. Carolina Posts: 55,343	Re: Elizardo to start Saturday. Anyone but Stanton __________________ Go Gators!

08-18-2007, 01:54 PM	#13
JaxRed Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 9,228	Re: Elizardo to start Saturday. I say Santos. If your the Reds you still want to give Phil 2-3 evaluation starts.

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