8/29/2007 Reds vs Buccos - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

flyer85 · 08-29-2007, 04:00 PM

Gonzo back in the lineup in the 2 hole ... sweet

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Hamilton cf
Gonzalez ss
Griffey rf
Phillips 2b
Dunn lf
Valentin c
Hatteberg 1b
Encarnacion 3b
Harang p

McLouth cf
Bautista 3b
Sanchez 2b
LaRoche. 1b
Nady rf
Bay lf
Paulino c
Izturis ss
Snell p

BRM · 08-29-2007, 04:01 PM

Does this mean the Reds are out of "win now" mode?

flyer85 · 08-29-2007, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BRM

Does this mean the Reds are out of "win now" mode?

after the Pirates finish their sweep of the Reds as guess the lose now mode will be back.

There is really no way to describe batting Gonzo 2nd instead of Hatty, it's back to this entire breaking up the lefties theory that seems to always drive batting order placement if you are a Reds manager. Of course it won't matter if they can't get to Snell and the construction of the lineup certainly isn't going to maximize their chances.

BRM · 08-29-2007, 04:10 PM

I just looked at the numbers, Gonzalez is 4-7 lifetime against Snell. I'm sure that played some part in the lineup construction.

KronoRed · 08-29-2007, 04:11 PM

L/R/L/R/L/S/L/R

Insanity FM is on the air.

BRM · 08-29-2007, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by KronoRed

L/R/L/R/L/S/L/R

Insanity FM is on the air.

It's the most popular station in Cincinnati, isn't it?

Razor Shines · 08-29-2007, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KronoRed

L/R/L/R/L/S/L/R

Insanity FM is on the air.

If it MUST be that way then freakin' put EE in the 2 hole and Gonzo 8th.

flyer85 · 08-29-2007, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Razor Shines

If it MUST be that way then freakin' put EE in the 2 hole and Gonzo 8th.

actually any choice in the 2 hole would be better than Gonzo, he needs to be the #8 hitter in that lineup.

RichRed · 08-29-2007, 04:43 PM

When did we hire Narron back?

Cyclone792 · 08-29-2007, 04:43 PM

Code:

2007 PA/Outs

Hamilton          1.52
Gonzalez          1.39
Griffey           1.59
Phillips          1.39
Dunn              1.54
Valentin          1.47
Hatteberg         1.59
Encarnacion       1.51

Castro (Career)   1.31
Ellison (Career)  1.34

I must say I do find it utterly humorous that in tonight's lineup, the two hitters with the worst ratio of outs per plate appearance are both directly batting in front of the team's two best power hitters.

vaticanplum · 08-29-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyclone792

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2007 PA/Outs

Hamilton          1.52
Gonzalez          1.39
Griffey           1.59
Phillips          1.39
Dunn              1.54
Valentin          1.47
Hatteberg         1.59
Encarnacion       1.51

Castro (Career)   1.31
Ellison (Career)  1.34

I must say I do find it utterly humorous that in tonight's lineup, the two hitters with the worst ratio of outs per plate appearance are both directly batting in front of the team's two best power hitters.

Griffey bats third and Dunn bats fifth, Cyclone. It's like the catcher bats eighth rule. Whoever hits in front of them is arbitrary.

flyer85 · 08-29-2007, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyclone792

I must say I do find it utterly humorous that in tonight's lineup, the two hitters with the worst ratio of outs per plate appearance are both directly batting in front of the team's two best power hitters.

nothing like having your out machines at the top of the order.

KronoRed · 08-29-2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by flyer85

nothing like having your out machines at the top of the order.

They put the ball in play, usually right at people

Cyclone792 · 08-29-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by vaticanplum

Griffey bats third and Dunn bats fifth, Cyclone. It's like the catcher bats eighth rule. Whoever hits in front of them is arbitrary.

Yep, anything else would be illegal.

BTW, PA/Outs correlates with runs per game at a 0.893 clip in the NL so far this season. BA w/RISP, for comparison, only correlates with runs per game at a 0.351 clip in the NL so far this season.

Don't tell Marty, though.

CTA513 · 08-29-2007, 05:17 PM

Career stats for the pitchers against the hitters (from ESPN):

Snell vs. Reds
Hamilton: 0 for 3
Gonzalez: 4 for 7 with a double, 1 RBI, 1 BB and 1 K
Griffey: 5 for 9 with 1 RBI, 4 BB and 2 Ks
Phillips: 1 for 12 with 4 Ks
Dunn: 2 for 14 with a double, home run, 1 RBI, 4 BB and 5 Ks
Valentin: 8 for 13 with 2 home runs, 5 RBIs, 2 BB and 1 K
Hatteberg: 4 for 16 with 3 BB and 1 K
Encarnacion: 4 for 14 with 3 RBIs
Harang: 0 at bats

Harang vs. Pirates
McLouth: 1 for 10 with a double, 1 BB and 4 Ks
Bautista: 4 for 17 with a double, 1 RBI, 2 BB and 4 Ks
Sanchez: 5 for 29 with a double, home run, 3 RBIs, 1 BB and 5 Ks
LaRoche: 5 for 17 with 3 doubles, 2 home runs, 3 RBIs, 2 BB and 3 Ks
Nady: 8 for 19 with a double, home run, 2 RBIs and 3 Ks
Bay: 14 for 37 with 4 doubles, 1 triple, 4 home runs, 7 RBIs, 1 BB and 9 Ks
Paulino: 2 for 10 with 1 RBI and 5 Ks
Izturis: 0 for 15 with 1 K
Snell: 0 at bats

08-29-2007, 04:01 PM	#2
BRM Let's ride Join Date: May 2004 Location: Colorado's eastern plains Posts: 11,232	Re: 8/29/2007 Reds vs Buccos Does this mean the Reds are out of "win now" mode?

08-29-2007, 04:10 PM	#4
BRM Let's ride Join Date: May 2004 Location: Colorado's eastern plains Posts: 11,232	Re: 8/29/2007 Reds vs Buccos I just looked at the numbers, Gonzalez is 4-7 lifetime against Snell. I'm sure that played some part in the lineup construction.

08-29-2007, 04:11 PM	#5
KronoRed The Lineups stink. Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: West N. Carolina Posts: 55,342	Re: 8/29/2007 Reds vs Buccos L/R/L/R/L/S/L/R Insanity FM is on the air. __________________ Go Gators!

08-29-2007, 04:43 PM	#9
RichRed My clutch is broken Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 3,568	Re: 8/29/2007 Reds vs Buccos When did we hire Narron back? __________________ "I can make all the stadiums rock." -Air Supply

08-29-2007, 04:43 PM	#10
Cyclone792 Playoffs Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 6,233	Re: 8/29/2007 Reds vs Buccos Code: 2007 PA/Outs Hamilton 1.52 Gonzalez 1.39 Griffey 1.59 Phillips 1.39 Dunn 1.54 Valentin 1.47 Hatteberg 1.59 Encarnacion 1.51 Castro (Career) 1.31 Ellison (Career) 1.34 I must say I do find it utterly humorous that in tonight's lineup, the two hitters with the worst ratio of outs per plate appearance are both directly batting in front of the team's two best power hitters. __________________ *Barry Larkin - HOF, 2012* *Put an end to the Lost Decade.*

08-29-2007, 05:17 PM	#15
CTA513 Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 10,702	Re: 8/29/2007 Reds vs Buccos Career stats for the pitchers against the hitters (from ESPN): Snell vs. Reds Hamilton: 0 for 3 Gonzalez: 4 for 7 with a double, 1 RBI, 1 BB and 1 K Griffey: 5 for 9 with 1 RBI, 4 BB and 2 Ks Phillips: 1 for 12 with 4 Ks Dunn: 2 for 14 with a double, home run, 1 RBI, 4 BB and 5 Ks Valentin: 8 for 13 with 2 home runs, 5 RBIs, 2 BB and 1 K Hatteberg: 4 for 16 with 3 BB and 1 K Encarnacion: 4 for 14 with 3 RBIs Harang: 0 at bats Harang vs. Pirates McLouth: 1 for 10 with a double, 1 BB and 4 Ks Bautista: 4 for 17 with a double, 1 RBI, 2 BB and 4 Ks Sanchez: 5 for 29 with a double, home run, 3 RBIs, 1 BB and 5 Ks LaRoche: 5 for 17 with 3 doubles, 2 home runs, 3 RBIs, 2 BB and 3 Ks Nady: 8 for 19 with a double, home run, 2 RBIs and 3 Ks Bay: 14 for 37 with 4 doubles, 1 triple, 4 home runs, 7 RBIs, 1 BB and 9 Ks Paulino: 2 for 10 with 1 RBI and 5 Ks Izturis: 0 for 15 with 1 K Snell: 0 at bats Last edited by CTA513; 08-29-2007 at 05:20 PM.

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