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Joba and Homer
I am starting this thread to whine. I know no one does that here at Redszone but I thought I would try something new. Why is it that the Yankees can decide 2-3 years ago that they are going to focus on the minors once again and within a couple of years names such as Joba Chamberlin, Phillip Hughes, and soon it appears others not only start coming up from the minors but start really contrbuting right off of the bat. Then you have what many consider to be the top pitching prospect in baseball (Homer) hurt and doesn't appear to be anywhere close to as polished as these guys. I'm not giving up on Homer (not at all) I just wonder how a team can go from what many considered to be the worst farm system in baseball to one that has produced 2 incredible talents in the same year....and the beat goes on in Cincy.
I know the easy answer is money but it is hard to say that is what it is when both of the above guys were available in the draft and virtually every team passed them up. Do the Yanks just do a lot better training in the minors (recently)?
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08-30-2007, 02:11 PM
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Well the Yankees spent a million dollars each of the past two seasons to sign lower round draft picks. Hughes and Chamberlain were both first round picks.
Chamberlain has 2 pitches right now, both are very good. His last year in college though he was fat, out of shape and not throwing as hard as he once had. He fell down draft boards becuase of it. Hughes, you say is polished and all....5.35 ERA and lots of HR so far suggests otherwise.
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08-30-2007, 02:14 PM
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To follow on what Doug is saying. On the Yankee broadcast they were talking about this as Joba was mowing down Red Sox hitters. The Yankees can take chances on guys like Joba (who are falling on draft boards) or like Brackman because they can cover up their mistakes in the Free Agent market. So they can go with high-risk, high-reward like players. The Reds can't.
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08-30-2007, 02:17 PM
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Let me also say that I like Hughes future potential, but his fastball seems to be slowing down lately and has me concerned right now.
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08-30-2007, 02:21 PM
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Its seems you would also have to take into account that the Yankees never exactly moth balled their farm system, they simply seldom promoted anyone from the minors to the major. Choosing instead to either buy a free agent veteren player or trade away some of their strong minor leaguers for top shelf (and expensive) veteran players that were no longer affordable by the teams they had currently played for. I have not done any research to back this up but I think you would find that the Yanks signed most of their draft picks and a high % of them were quite good. As a result, when they decided to go (somewhat) with a youth movement their farm system wasn't void of talent.
It would be interesting to see how many top 10 round picks of the Yankees over say the last 5-8 years are now starters somewhere else.
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Randy Flores Scott Wiggins Randy Choate Tyrell Godwin randy Kiesler Andy Phillips matt Smith Shelley Duncan Tyler Clippard Phil Hughes Joba Chamberlain Ian Kennedy Just to compare to the Reds in that same period: Homer Bailey Ryan Wagner Dustin Mosely Ryan Snare Dane Sardhina [1 game] Ben Broussard Scott Dunn Adam Dunn Austin Kearns Bobby Madritsch Josh Hall
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Yep. Yankees and Reds have pumped more garbage out of their minors in the last ten years than Metro Sewage. Just goes to prove that you CAN win it with FAs. |
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So much for that theory!!
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So much for that theory!!
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Chamberlain Hughes Kennedy (on Sat.) Pettitte E. Ramirez Rivera Wang Posada Cano Duncan Jeter Phillips Cabrera On the 25 man that were from their system. Almost 50%. Not bad. Drafting is more that just the first round.
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At the end of Lance's show today, he said that Andrew Brackman will undergo Tommy John Surgery and be out 12-18 months.
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