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ChatterRed · 10-03-2007, 02:59 PM

Josh Hamilton is our best trade bait.

He's a 5 tool player, good defensively and on the basepaths, and he's still very cheap. He has been chronically injured his entire career and my gut feeling is that he will be for most of his career.

I see no takers for Griffey. I'd try and trade Griffey first, but when that failed, I'd move to seeking trade offers for Hamilton. Why? Because we have his replacement in triple AAA, Jay Bruce.

I believe Hamilton could bring a #2 or #3 starter and would solidify the rotation.

SP - Harang
SP - Arroyo
SP - pitcher acquired in trade for Josh Hamilton
SP - Bailey
SP - Cueto or a free agent signing

That rotation doesn't look too bad, does it?

Will M · 10-03-2007, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ChatterRed

Josh Hamilton is our best trade bait.

He's a 5 tool player, good defensively and on the basepaths, and he's still very cheap. He has been chronically injured his entire career and my gut feeling is that he will be for most of his career.

I see no takers for Griffey. I'd try and trade Griffey first, but when that failed, I'd move to seeking trade offers for Hamilton. Why? Because we have his replacement in triple AAA, Jay Bruce.

I believe Hamilton could bring a #2 or #3 starter and would solidify the rotation.

SP - Harang
SP - Arroyo
SP - pitcher acquired in trade for Josh Hamilton
SP - Bailey
SP - Cueto or a free agent signing

That rotation doesn't look too bad, does it?

IMO - no way do I trade Hamilton. Griffey ( or Dunn ) goes to make room for Bruce. A small market team like the Reds needs the young cheap players. Plus the Reds defense improves with Hamilton and Bruce in the OF.

HalMorrisRules · 10-03-2007, 03:21 PM

I loved every minute that Hamilton was on the field, but if we can get a #2 or #3 for him, he has to be dealt. But other teams will not give up a #2 or #3 because they would be leery of his injury history. And Griffey isn't bringing ANYTHING back let alone a #2 or #3. Besides, after seven years as a Red, I would feel cheated to see him hit #600 as a member of another team, with the possible exception of the Mariners.

stevekun · 10-03-2007, 03:31 PM

NO WAY!!! Hamilton is our future....

podgejeff_ · 10-03-2007, 03:39 PM

How could we say no to a legit #2 or #3 starter for a guy who we picked up practically for free? While I think Hamilton is awesome and definitely someone who should have a high price tag, he's had several injuries already. That might mean nothing, or it might mean he's going to be an injury prone outfielder that'll spend half his time on the DL. His value is really high right now because of his potential, low cost, and initial results.

The Reds organization produces star outfielders like nobody's business. And we all pretty much agree we could use a proven #2 or #3 pitcher. I could see saying no to an older pitcher who we'd only have for a little bit, but if that starter is young and cheap I say we take him every day of the week for Hamilton.

GoReds33 · 10-03-2007, 03:42 PM

They won't trade Hamilton unless it is for a terrific pitcher. I emphasize the terrific. He would have to be a number one starter, or a bullpen guy like Chad Cordero.

Carolina Red · 10-03-2007, 03:51 PM

Hamilton and Philips are the last players I would trade. As hot a commodity as pitching is I seriously doubt anyone is going to want to trade a great young major league pitcher, even for a player as good as Hamilton. Everyone needs pitching. Our best bet is to continue to let Wayne do his thing. He will get us pitching. We still have the FA market and we will have Milton's money and maybe Dunn's to work with. We also have Homer and Cueto still developing. The Reds are still a couple of season's away. Right now the most important thing they need to do is hire a great manager who will be here for the long haul.

Degenerate39 · 10-03-2007, 03:55 PM

If Dunn can't get the Reds a 3rd Starter then Hamilton sure as heck isn't.

Screwball · 10-03-2007, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by degenerate10

If Dunn can't get the Reds a 3rd Starter then Hamilton sure as heck isn't.

Good point.

Degenerate39 · 10-03-2007, 04:20 PM

While I'm thinking of it Jay Bruce is Griffey's replacement not Hamilton's.

ChatterRed · 10-03-2007, 04:28 PM

Wow. So we'll have a good outfield but nobody that can get anybody out in the pitching department.

Gee, sounds like this year.

ChatterRed · 10-03-2007, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by degenerate10

While I'm thinking of it Jay Bruce is Griffey's replacement not Hamilton's.

Well, since Griffey is untradeable, meaning no other team wants him, you mean another year of waiting in terms of the Reds winning anything? That's the way I see it.

Nobody wants Dunn or Griffey. We have 4 LH power hitting outfielders if yo include Bruce.

Who are the most desirable players on the Reds that would bring something in return? Probably Phillips and Hamilton.

Degenerate39 · 10-03-2007, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ChatterRed

Well, since Griffey is untradeable, meaning no other team wants him, you mean another year of waiting in terms of the Reds winning anything? That's the way I see it.

Nobody wants Dunn or Griffey. We have 4 LH power hitting outfielders if yo include Bruce.

Who are the most desirable players on the Reds that would bring something in return? Probably Phillips and Hamilton.

Who ever said he was untradeable? I'm sure Seattle would give something pretty good for him. And Bruce is not going to be the missing piece that suddenly makes the Reds win.

redsfanmia · 10-03-2007, 05:00 PM

Other than JB, Harang and Phillips he probably has the most value so if the right deal comes up you have to deal him. I still wonder about his ability to take the day in and day out grind of the season.

ChatterRed · 10-03-2007, 05:02 PM

No Bruce isn't. But the pitching acquired for Hamilton, our most tradeable option, will help us win. But I guess you can't see this.

When making trades, you look at your most tradeable option, look to see if you have someone of quality to replace him, and seek what your missing (pitching).

10-03-2007, 02:59 PM	#1
ChatterRed Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Blue Ash Posts: 2,616	Trade Hamilton Josh Hamilton is our best trade bait. He's a 5 tool player, good defensively and on the basepaths, and he's still very cheap. He has been chronically injured his entire career and my gut feeling is that he will be for most of his career. I see no takers for Griffey. I'd try and trade Griffey first, but when that failed, I'd move to seeking trade offers for Hamilton. Why? Because we have his replacement in triple AAA, Jay Bruce. I believe Hamilton could bring a #2 or #3 starter and would solidify the rotation. SP - Harang SP - Arroyo SP - pitcher acquired in trade for Josh Hamilton SP - Bailey SP - Cueto or a free agent signing That rotation doesn't look too bad, does it? __________________ Who's on first?

10-03-2007, 03:31 PM	#4
stevekun Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: New Harmony IN Posts: 262	Re: Trade Hamilton NO WAY!!! Hamilton is our future....

10-03-2007, 03:39 PM	#5
podgejeff_ Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 132	Re: Trade Hamilton How could we say no to a legit #2 or #3 starter for a guy who we picked up practically for free? While I think Hamilton is awesome and definitely someone who should have a high price tag, he's had several injuries already. That might mean nothing, or it might mean he's going to be an injury prone outfielder that'll spend half his time on the DL. His value is really high right now because of his potential, low cost, and initial results. The Reds organization produces star outfielders like nobody's business. And we all pretty much agree we could use a proven #2 or #3 pitcher. I could see saying no to an older pitcher who we'd only have for a little bit, but if that starter is young and cheap I say we take him every day of the week for Hamilton.

10-03-2007, 03:51 PM	#7
Carolina Red Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 163	Re: Trade Hamilton Hamilton and Philips are the last players I would trade. As hot a commodity as pitching is I seriously doubt anyone is going to want to trade a great young major league pitcher, even for a player as good as Hamilton. Everyone needs pitching. Our best bet is to continue to let Wayne do his thing. He will get us pitching. We still have the FA market and we will have Milton's money and maybe Dunn's to work with. We also have Homer and Cueto still developing. The Reds are still a couple of season's away. Right now the most important thing they need to do is hire a great manager who will be here for the long haul.

10-03-2007, 03:55 PM	#8
Degenerate39 Senor Votto Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 7,849	Re: Trade Hamilton If Dunn can't get the Reds a 3rd Starter then Hamilton sure as heck isn't.

10-03-2007, 03:21 PM	#3
HalMorrisRules He sure could hit Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Dayton Posts: 702	Re: Trade Hamilton I loved every minute that Hamilton was on the field, but if we can get a #2 or #3 for him, he has to be dealt. But other teams will not give up a #2 or #3 because they would be leery of his injury history. And Griffey isn't bringing ANYTHING back let alone a #2 or #3. Besides, after seven years as a Red, I would feel cheated to see him hit #600 as a member of another team, with the possible exception of the Mariners.

10-03-2007, 04:20 PM	#10
Degenerate39 Senor Votto Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 7,849	Re: Trade Hamilton While I'm thinking of it Jay Bruce is Griffey's replacement not Hamilton's.

10-03-2007, 04:28 PM	#11
ChatterRed Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Blue Ash Posts: 2,616	Re: Trade Hamilton Wow. So we'll have a good outfield but nobody that can get anybody out in the pitching department. Gee, sounds like this year. __________________ Who's on first?

10-03-2007, 05:00 PM	#14
redsfanmia Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: indianapolis, IN Posts: 3,463	Re: Trade Hamilton Other than JB, Harang and Phillips he probably has the most value so if the right deal comes up you have to deal him. I still wonder about his ability to take the day in and day out grind of the season. __________________ I was in the ORG once, best 6 months of my life.

10-03-2007, 05:02 PM	#15
ChatterRed Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Blue Ash Posts: 2,616	Re: Trade Hamilton No Bruce isn't. But the pitching acquired for Hamilton, our most tradeable option, will help us win. But I guess you can't see this. When making trades, you look at your most tradeable option, look to see if you have someone of quality to replace him, and seek what your missing (pitching). __________________ Who's on first?

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