Rule 5 Draft Discussion

[BRM]

Originally Posted by RedsManRick

When I look at all the people available, my eye goes to the reliever with a sub 3.00 ERA and 11.63 K/9. I wish we could get a like that........

Yeah, but he does it with a trick pitch...

[M2]

Here's the BA list for Rule 5:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today...ws/265252.html

Randor Bierd could be a great pickup. Brian Barton supposedly played a bit indifferently last year, but I'd like to see Dusty Baker get ahold of him. Anyone know what sort of defensive chops Diory Hernandez has at SS? Of course, given his Twins routes can Wayne Krivsky stay away from Kyle Aselton?

[RedsManRick]

Originally Posted by BRM

Yeah, but he does it with a trick pitch...

I don't care how he does it. Let him keep doing it until it stops working. Mariano Rivera has done pretty well for himself a single pitch. Are there more pitchers in the majors throwing screwballs than there are in AA?

The point is, if you aren't going to promote him when he's absolutely dominating, then why keep him in your system at all? They should have traded him if they didn't think his screwball would work. I wouldn't give up on a guy who's killing his league because I think he might not succeed as he moves up. I'd move him up and see how it goes.

I view him like knuckleballer who's a lot easier to catch. Tim Wakefield has had a fine career throwing essentially a single pitch.

[BRM]

Originally Posted by RedsManRick

I don't care how he does it. Let him keep doing it until it stops working. Mariano Rivera has done pretty well for himself a single pitch. Are there more pitchers in the majors throwing screwballs than there are in AA?

The point is, if you aren't going to promote him when he's absolutely dominating, then why keep him in your system at all? They should have traded him if they didn't think his screwball would work. I wouldn't give up on a guy who's killing his league because I think he might not succeed as he moves up. I'd move him up and see how it goes.

I view him like knuckleballer who's a lot easier to catch. Tim Wakefield has had a fine career throwing essentially a single pitch.

I agree with you RMR. I was just being a smart-aleck.

[M2]

I grew up watching Tug McGraw. I amazed more pitchers don't throw screwballs.

[dougdirt]

Originally Posted by RedsManRick

I don't care how he does it. Let him keep doing it until it stops working. Mariano Rivera has done pretty well for himself a single pitch. Are there more pitchers in the majors throwing screwballs than there are in AA?

The point is, if you aren't going to promote him when he's absolutely dominating, then why keep him in your system at all? They should have traded him if they didn't think his screwball would work. I wouldn't give up on a guy who's killing his league because I think he might not succeed as he moves up. I'd move him up and see how it goes.

I view him like knuckleballer who's a lot easier to catch. Tim Wakefield has had a fine career throwing essentially a single pitch.

You are now assuming other teams think it will work too, and to be honest, maybe they don't see it working either. If thats the case, there is no point in trading him if your return is going to be someone who isn't going to be as successful in AA as Guevara.

[redsmetz]

I think folks are probably right that the big club isn't likely to strike gold two years in a row, but I wonder if there are any plums in the minor league phase.

[nate]

Originally Posted by M2

I grew up watching Tug McGraw. I amazed more pitchers don't throw screwballs.

I had always heard that screwballs were really hard on the arm. Dunno if that's true...Fernando sure seemed to make it work for a long time.

[dougdirt]

Originally Posted by nate

I had always heard that screwballs were really hard on the arm. Dunno if that's true...Fernando sure seemed to make it work for a long time.

There are rumors out there that the screwball actually turns your arm over the more you throw it. Carl Hubbell threw a screwball for the better part of his career and legend has it that his palm faced outward as a result of it.

[D-Man]

Are there any catch-and-throw catchers available in this year draft, and more specifically, one with some offensive upside? The catcher position strikes me as the organization's most pressing need for depth. I'm not opposed to carrying a young guy to caddy for Ross, particularly if he has a nice glove.

I don't imagine that Dusty would carry three catchers, but there are other options with Valentin (trade, DFA in Spring Training, or using him in the infield backup/PH/emergency catcher role).

[dougdirt]

Originally Posted by D-Man

Are there any catch-and-throw catchers available in this year draft, and more specifically, one with some offensive upside? The catcher position strikes me as the organization's most pressing need for depth. I'm not opposed to carrying a young guy to caddy for Ross, particularly if he has a nice glove.

I don't imagine that Dusty would carry three catchers, but there are other options with Valentin (trade, DFA in Spring Training, or using him in the infield backup/PH/emergency catcher role).

Honestly, if we are looking for a catch and throw guy with maybe some offensive upside we need to resign Miguel Perez. No one has really ever questioned his defense. He is just 23 years old and showed some promise with the bat after having his rib removed this season.

[bucksfan2]

I hope the reds take another flyer on a pitcher in the Rule V draft. I would want them to handle it the same way they handled Burton. Didn't Burton spend 2 rehab trips in the Minors? Im sure his injury wasn't that serious to DL him but I am also pretty sure that a Rule V player would be mad if he were on the MLB DL because of the money he would be making.

[M2]

Originally Posted by nate

I had always heard that screwballs were really hard on the arm. Dunno if that's true...Fernando sure seemed to make it work for a long time.

There's a counterargument that it pronates the arm in a more natural direction than trying to snap off a curve or slider or splitter. Carl Hubbell's arm may have wound up with a funny bow to it, but that didn't keep him from having a phenomenal 16-year career.

[flash]

If Hughes is still availible when the Reds get to pick I would say grab him.The Reds can put him in the pen or start him.

[mth123]

The Reds need a guy who can pitch in the long relief/spot starter role who can give a lot of innings in blow outs. Seems a perfect spot for a Rule 5 guy and if he's a LH all the better. At worst it keeps the alternate starters like Maloney on regular turns in AAA instead of sitting in the pen with sporadic and uncertain use.