Projected Lineups as of today - RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion

Spike · 12-12-2007, 12:21 AM

Against Righties:

Hamilton
Phillips
Dunn
Griffey
Encarnacion
Votto
Valentin
Gonzalez

Against Lefties:

Hopper
Keppinger
Griffey/Hamilton/Dunn
Phillips
Dunn/Hamiton/Griffey
Encarancion
Ross
Gonzalez

Not too shabby! A bunch of hitters at every point!

mlbfan30 · 12-12-2007, 12:34 AM

I like Votto #2. He's a good OBP guy with decent speed. He also would (maybe) see more fastballs since he's in front of Dunn
The problem is 4 lefties in a row. So then I would move EE 4th instead of BP since his OBP is better. Griffey is 5th, which is still a good spot for him. (From memory) he hit very well couple years ago (2005?) batting 5th. BP goes 6th and his all or nothing approach would be acceptable there.

Against Righties:

Hamilton
Votto
Dunn
Encarnacion
Griffey
Phillips
Ross/Valentin
Gonzalez

*BaseClogger* · 12-12-2007, 12:42 AM

can't put Phillips #2... no OBP

I also believe that Ross will see more starts against RHP than Valentin...

RH:
Hamilton
EE
Dunn
Griffey
Phillips
Votto
Gonzalez
Ross

LH:
Hopper
Keppinger
Dunn
Griffey
Phillips
EE
Gonzalez
Ross

mlbfan30 · 12-12-2007, 12:46 AM

Do you really want Hopper and his BA alone determining how often he reaches base. I would like to see both Hamilton and Votto seeing more time against lefties than they probably will have. You can't force them to be career platoon guys. I'd argue that the more you replace them for lefties, the worse they become at hitting lefties since they don't get enough PA. I'd only use Hopper/Kepp to give rest when needed, but not have both in the lineup in the same day.
The reason BP and EE flip is basically because BP is a better hitter against LHP, while EE stays close to the same.
If I had to put Hopper here, I would just bat him 7th or 8th

Against Lefties: (1 possibility)

Hamilton
Keppinger/Votto
Dunn
Phillips
Griffey
Encarnacion
Ross
Gonzalez

Stephenk29 · 12-12-2007, 03:29 AM

I just hate seeing Hamilton in the lead off spot. He just seems to be more valuable in RBI opportunities.

Blue · 12-12-2007, 04:13 AM

I agree. I'd have Keppinger play SS and lead off. After that, everyone can pretty much hit until the 8 and 9 spots. Really wish we had a catcher who could hit.

Degenerate39 · 12-12-2007, 06:12 AM

Here's my lineup against Righties and Lefties

1. CF- Hamilton
2. 3rd- Encarnacion
3. LF- Dunn
4. 2nd- Phillips
5. RF- Griffey
6. 1st- Votto
7. SS- Gonzo
8. C- Ross/Javy
9. Pitcher

CRedsLarkin11 · 12-12-2007, 09:19 AM

I really don't think these lineups are bad at all, there are a lot of options and hopefully the defense will stay somewhat consistent. It's the pitching that has me worried.

HokieRed · 12-12-2007, 09:36 AM

#2 is tough to hit; I wouldn't put Votto there to start, maybe later in season.

EddieMilner · 12-12-2007, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HokieRed

#2 is tough to hit; I wouldn't put Votto there to start, maybe later in season.

To me, it seems that Hamilton is the perfect #2 hitter on this club. All these lineups scream that the Reds need a true lead off hitter.

mlbfan30 · 12-12-2007, 11:40 AM

No teams needs a "true" leadoff hitter. Juan Pierre is a "true" leadoff hitter and he sucks. All the Reds need is a good OBP guy with some speed and some power. Hamilton showed he can handle it last year and can again this year. So what if he doesn't get as many RBIs opps. This is his stat line from the leadoff spot
.336 .405 .617 -0.341 BABIP-
This is Keppinger, but he has good numbers from the 2nd spot.
.143 .217 .286 -.105 BABIP-[23PA] ----------- .323 .378 .444 -0.325 BABIP-
This is Hopper
.343 .395 .404 -0.380 BABIP-(not as bad as i thought it would be, but do you really think he's a .340 hitter. Put him down to a .300 hitter and his line looks more like .300/.350/.350)

mroby85 · 12-12-2007, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EddieMilner

To me, it seems that Hamilton is the perfect #2 hitter on this club. All these lineups scream that the Reds need a true lead off hitter.

I agree with you milner, it's just tough to find a way for that to work. playing hopper is the solution in my opinion, but who do you bench to play him? you really can't.

Javy Pornstache · 12-12-2007, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Degenerate39

Here's my lineup against Righties and Lefties

1. CF- Hamilton
2. 3rd- Encarnacion
3. LF- Dunn
4. 2nd- Phillips
5. RF- Griffey
6. 1st- Votto
7. SS- Gonzo
8. C- Ross/Javy
9. Pitcher

Correct. I wouldn't platoon Hamilton or Votto either.

*BaseClogger* · 12-12-2007, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Degenerate39

Here's my lineup against Righties and Lefties

1. CF- Hamilton
2. 3rd- Encarnacion
3. LF- Dunn
4. 2nd- Phillips
5. RF- Griffey
6. 1st- Votto
7. SS- Gonzo
8. C- Ross/Javy
9. Pitcher

We pretty much agree. You should consider moving Griffey ahead of Phillips because of the better Onbase PCT...

*BaseClogger* · 12-12-2007, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HokieRed

#2 is tough to hit; I wouldn't put Votto there to start, maybe later in season.

why is #2 tough to hit? What makes it different?

12-12-2007, 12:21 AM	#1
Spike Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Rochester NY Posts: 92	Projected Lineups as of today Against Righties: Hamilton Phillips Dunn Griffey Encarnacion Votto Valentin Gonzalez Against Lefties: Hopper Keppinger Griffey/Hamilton/Dunn Phillips Dunn/Hamiton/Griffey Encarancion Ross Gonzalez Not too shabby! A bunch of hitters at every point! __________________ "Just shut up and play baseball"...Mike Piazza

12-12-2007, 12:42 AM	#3
BaseClogger WOOOOO!!! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Midland, MI Posts: 6,077	Re: Projected Lineups as of today can't put Phillips #2... no OBP I also believe that Ross will see more starts against RHP than Valentin... RH: Hamilton EE Dunn Griffey Phillips Votto Gonzalez Ross LH: Hopper Keppinger Dunn Griffey Phillips EE Gonzalez Ross __________________ "On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage," Baker said. "Clogging up the bases isn't that great to me."

12-12-2007, 12:46 AM	#4
mlbfan30 Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 544	Re: Projected Lineups as of today Do you really want Hopper and his BA alone determining how often he reaches base. I would like to see both Hamilton and Votto seeing more time against lefties than they probably will have. You can't force them to be career platoon guys. I'd argue that the more you replace them for lefties, the worse they become at hitting lefties since they don't get enough PA. I'd only use Hopper/Kepp to give rest when needed, but not have both in the lineup in the same day. The reason BP and EE flip is basically because BP is a better hitter against LHP, while EE stays close to the same. If I had to put Hopper here, I would just bat him 7th or 8th Against Lefties: (1 possibility) Hamilton Keppinger/Votto Dunn Phillips Griffey Encarnacion Ross Gonzalez

12-12-2007, 03:29 AM	#5
Stephenk29 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 709	Re: Projected Lineups as of today I just hate seeing Hamilton in the lead off spot. He just seems to be more valuable in RBI opportunities.

12-12-2007, 04:13 AM	#6
Blue Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,344	Re: Projected Lineups as of today I agree. I'd have Keppinger play SS and lead off. After that, everyone can pretty much hit until the 8 and 9 spots. Really wish we had a catcher who could hit. __________________ FIRE DUSTY BAKER ADOPT THIS SIGNATURE IN SOLIDARITY!!!

12-12-2007, 12:34 AM	#2
mlbfan30 Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 544	Re: Projected Lineups as of today I like Votto #2. He's a good OBP guy with decent speed. He also would (maybe) see more fastballs since he's in front of Dunn The problem is 4 lefties in a row. So then I would move EE 4th instead of BP since his OBP is better. Griffey is 5th, which is still a good spot for him. (From memory) he hit very well couple years ago (2005?) batting 5th. BP goes 6th and his all or nothing approach would be acceptable there. Against Righties: Hamilton Votto Dunn Encarnacion Griffey Phillips Ross/Valentin Gonzalez Last edited by mlbfan30; 12-12-2007 at 12:47 AM.

12-12-2007, 06:12 AM	#7
Degenerate39 Senor Votto Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 7,847	Re: Projected Lineups as of today Here's my lineup against Righties and Lefties 1. CF- Hamilton 2. 3rd- Encarnacion 3. LF- Dunn 4. 2nd- Phillips 5. RF- Griffey 6. 1st- Votto 7. SS- Gonzo 8. C- Ross/Javy 9. Pitcher __________________ Most Vottomatic Player

12-12-2007, 09:19 AM	#8
CRedsLarkin11 Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 272	Re: Projected Lineups as of today I really don't think these lineups are bad at all, there are a lot of options and hopefully the defense will stay somewhat consistent. It's the pitching that has me worried.

12-12-2007, 09:36 AM	#9
HokieRed Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 4,049	Re: Projected Lineups as of today #2 is tough to hit; I wouldn't put Votto there to start, maybe later in season.

12-12-2007, 11:40 AM	#11
mlbfan30 Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 544	Re: Projected Lineups as of today No teams needs a "true" leadoff hitter. Juan Pierre is a "true" leadoff hitter and he sucks. All the Reds need is a good OBP guy with some speed and some power. Hamilton showed he can handle it last year and can again this year. So what if he doesn't get as many RBIs opps. This is his stat line from the leadoff spot .336 .405 .617 -0.341 BABIP- This is Keppinger, but he has good numbers from the 2nd spot. .143 .217 .286 -.105 BABIP-[23PA] ----------- .323 .378 .444 -0.325 BABIP- This is Hopper .343 .395 .404 -0.380 BABIP-(not as bad as i thought it would be, but do you really think he's a .340 hitter. Put him down to a .300 hitter and his line looks more like .300/.350/.350)

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