Redszone Community Prospect Vote #18

[HokieRed]

I'm going with Rosales even though I think he's actually about the 10th best prospect in the organization and should have been picked long ago. That means no votes this round for Evan Hildenbrandt, which is a shame. I don't see why his not pitching minor league baseball this summer would keep him from getting votes. It doesn't affect his upside one bit. Why when other guys play only a little bit and come in looking worse than their projection does that not hurt them more--Mesoraco, for instance? I don't say this as a knock on Mesoraco, whom I like. I just think we sometimes put an absurd amount of weight on a very low number of appearances in rookie ball. I'll say it again. Take a look at the Hildenbrandt video. You've got a guy with a great frame, throws an easy low 90's with one of the simplest, most rhythmical motions you'll ever see. This is as an 18 year old.

[mlbfan30]

If the Pellend and Viola people just agree on 1 guy, then they could be the next two off the list. They are stealing eachothers votes, and both probably should have been off 2-3 picks ago. It's really close but I say vote Pellend 1st for the simple fact that he has pitched well in AAA while Viola only AA.

[BoydsOfSummer]

I think those two are my next two.

[Mario-Rijo]

Originally Posted by Blue

Daryl Thompson:

3.18 ERA, 133 IP, 122 H, 121 K, 33 BB overall last season between Dayton and Sarasota.

2.55 ERA, 49.1 IP, 44 H, 45 K, 14 BB in his last 10 starts at Sarasota.

He outpitched Sean Watson at the same levels, and pitched twice as much at High-A. Low-maybe mid-90s FB, solid curve, decent changeup.

He'll be at AA this year. He might even start the season there.

As much as I formerly liked Thompson the more I look at the #'s the more I wonder if he can make it at all. Sure the #'s look fine until you start to project that out to stiffer competition down the road a bit. He already has more IP's than K's and his hits are right up there with his IP's. I'm starting to see him as a AAAA/fringy starter kind of guy who will get held back at some point to be dangled as trade bait, ala Medlock and Guevara. I also feel the same about Lecure. Someone tell me why I'm wrong here and I may consider changing my view on it.

Pelland and Rosales are solid choices here as well but I feel the same way OBM does about Viola he has just kicked tail wherever he has gone to this point, so until he hiccups he has my vote. Of course he's had my vote for a long time.

[BigRed07]

I noticed that in Dougdirts end of the season Top 40 that Valaika was 16 and Turner 18. What has changed since the end of the season for them to drop out of the Top 20? I think that they are both deserving of a Top 20 ranking based on their performances in 06 and 07. Valaika was the 06 POY and an 07 all-star. Turner was a 06 and 07 all-star (mid-season and Post season ) They were in the top 5 for total hits in the Reds organization this year.
1.Griffin 171
2.Bruce 166
3.Turner 149
4.Valaika 147
5.Votto 146(not including MLB)

[*BaseClogger*]

Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo

As much as I formerly liked Thompson the more I look at the #'s the more I wonder if he can make it at all. Sure the #'s look fine until you start to project that out to stiffer competition down the road a bit. He already has more IP's than K's and his hits are right up there with his IP's. I'm starting to see him as a AAAA/fringy starter kind of guy who will get held back at some point to be dangled as trade bait, ala Medlock and Guevara. I also feel the same about Lecure. Someone tell me why I'm wrong here and I may consider changing my view on it.

Solid control (career 2.7 BB/9)? Considered to have quite a bit of upside before injury problems (was ranked n. 7 Nationals prospect by BA)?

[dougdirt]

Originally Posted by BigRed07

I noticed that in Dougdirts end of the season Top 40 that Valaika was 16 and Turner 18. What has changed since the end of the season for them to drop out of the Top 20? I think that they are both deserving of a Top 20 ranking based on their performances in 06 and 07. Valaika was the 06 POY and an 07 all-star. Turner was a 06 and 07 all-star (mid-season and Post season ) They were in the top 5 for total hits in the Reds organization this year.
1.Griffin 171
2.Bruce 166
3.Turner 149
4.Valaika 147
5.Votto 146(not including MLB)

For me, nothing has changed. The problem is guys I have ranked higher are still not voted on, so I am voting for the highest ranked guy I have left. It was Adam Rosales, who I had at #14.

[Blue]

He had a K:BB ratio of almost 4:1. There's not really anything wrong with those overall K numbers, either. They aren't the numbers of an elite prospect, but they're good enough for top 20 in the system. Remember, he's still young. He is yet to throw a pitch as a 22 year old, and he could very well start the season in AA. That's nothing to sneeze at.

[camisadelgolf]

After Rosales, the next position player on my board is Justin Turner. I will try to sandwich Pedro Viola in-between there, though.

[Kc61]

Another runoff?

[*BaseClogger*]

Originally Posted by Kc61

Another runoff?

It better be a four man runoff... And like the last one I don't think it will solve anything...

[TOBTTReds]

Originally Posted by *BaseClogger*

It better be a four man runoff... And like the last one I don't think it will solve anything...

DT and PV are 5+ votes off. I say leave them out and just do two. A sprint to 20 votes! Or whatever the system is.

As far as not solving anything, we are talking about the #18 and 19 prospects. It shouldn't be a big deal if someone wins by one point. Bigger things have been decided by lesser margins (like my fantasy team that couldn't get a lousy 6 points from plaxico or berrian!!! They got 5! And I lost by 1 point, and lost out on $200/$350) Sorry.

[Danny Serafini]

The poll is still open for another two days, it may yet settle itself.

[dougdirt]

This poll is good until tomorrow afternoon sometime, if at that time there is a need for a runoff, anyone within 3 votes of the top guy will be placed into the runoff.

[kheidg-]

Originally Posted by *BaseClogger*

I'm not voting for a relief pitcher until all the good young starting pitchers (Thompson) are off the list...

If more people used that same logic I don't know why Roenicke is ranked our #7 best prospect