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Hamilton Traded To Rangers For Edinson Volquez
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I'm not sure if I'd have a problem with that trade, even though Volquez is a little older at 27. |
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12-21-2007, 10:53 AM
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Re: Hamilton to Rangers for Edinson Volquez?
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12-21-2007, 11:01 AM
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Re: Hamilton to Rangers for Edinson Volquez?
what?! I hope that's not true... Edison Volquez is a biq ?????? I hope we only trade Hamilton for a "for sure" pitching improvement.
I'd give them Hopper for Volquez.... Hopper & Stubbs, etc... maybe... not Hammy! |
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12-21-2007, 11:25 AM
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Re: Hamilton to Rangers for Edinson Volquez?
You'd have to pry Norris Hopper from my cold, dead hands.
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12-21-2007, 11:51 AM
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Re: Hamilton to Rangers for Edinson Volquez?
Thing is though, it's a little tough to tell what Hamilton is since he's still terribly raw. Plays hard though, gotta love that about the guy.
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12-21-2007, 12:16 PM
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Re: Hamilton to Rangers for Edinson Volquez?
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Year Team Lg Age Org Level W L ERA G GS CG SH GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO WP BK H9 HR9 BB9 K9 WHIP GB% 2003 Az Rangers Ariz 19 Tex Rk 2 1 4.00 10 4 0 0 1 1 27.0 24 14 12 1 11 28 4 8.00 0.33 3.67 9.33 1.30 -- 2004 Clinton Midw 20 Tex A 4 4 4.21 21 15 0 0 3 3 87.2 82 49 41 8 27 74 4 8.42 0.82 2.77 7.60 1.24 -- Stockton Calif 20 Tex A+ 4 1 2.95 8 8 0 0 0 0 39.2 31 16 13 6 14 34 2 7.03 1.36 3.18 7.71 1.13 -- 2005 Az Rangers Ariz 21 Tex Rk 0 0 0.00 1 1 0 0 0 2.0 2 0 0 0 0 2 1 0 9.00 0.00 0.00 9.00 1.00 -- Bkrsfld Calif 21 Tex A+ 5 4 4.18 11 11 1 0 0 66.2 64 34 31 9 12 77 3 0 8.64 1.21 1.62 10.39 1.14 -- Frisco Tex 21 Tex AA 1 5 4.14 10 10 1 1 0 58.2 58 29 27 6 17 49 1 0 8.90 0.92 2.61 7.52 1.28 -- Texas AL 21 Tex MLB log 0 4 14.21 6 3 0 0 0 0 12.2 25 22 20 3 10 11 0 0 17.76 2.13 7.11 7.82 2.76 31% 2006 Oklahoma PCL 22 Tex AAA 6 6 3.21 21 21 0 0 0 0 120.2 86 51 43 9 72 130 3 0 6.41 0.67 5.37 9.70 1.31 -- Texas AL 22 Tex MLB log 1 6 7.29 8 8 0 0 0 0 33.1 52 28 27 7 17 15 0 0 14.04 1.89 4.59 4.05 2.07 40% 2007 Bkrsfld Calif 23 Tex A+ 0 4 7.13 7 7 0 0 0 0 35.1 27 28 28 4 20 38 5 0 6.88 1.02 5.09 9.68 1.33 -- Frisco Tex 23 Tex AA 8 1 3.55 11 11 0 0 0 0 58.1 46 23 23 9 19 62 1 0 7.10 1.39 2.93 9.57 1.11 -- Okla City PCL 23 Tex AAA 6 1 1.41 8 8 0 0 0 0 51.0 25 8 8 0 21 66 3 0 4.41 0.00 3.71 11.65 0.90 -- Texas AL 23 Tex MLB 2 1 4.50 6 6 0 0 0 0 34.0 34 18 17 4 15 29 0 0 9.00 1.06 3.97 7.68 1.44 -- Major League Totals - 3 Season(s) 3 11 7.20 20 17 0 0 0 0 80.0 111 68 64 14 42 55 0 0 12.49 1.58 4.73 6.19 1.91 37% Minor League Totals - 5 Season(s) 36 27 3.72 108 96 2 1 4 547.0 445 252 226 52 213 560 27 7.32 0.86 3.50 9.21 1.20 Notice the improvement as he advances through the minors. Small sample size in AAA but he was dominant and deserving of his call to Texas with his 3 to 1 K to BB ratio, 0.90 Whip and 11.65 K/9. He has very good periphs but is still working out control issues (with a near 4 BB/9 in AAA and in the majors). Also in AAA he started 8 games and had 8 COMPLETE GAMES Scouting report Quote:
Baseball America says he is a Pedro Martinez clone and projects as a #2 type pitcher. I still need to do some more research before I offer my full opinion but, I do like the fact that WK has gotten word out that there are other pitchers besides Bedard that he is looking at... Hope this helps
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12-21-2007, 05:06 PM
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Re: Hamilton to Rangers for Edinson Volquez?
There is no doubt that I'd like to have Volquez... He would be a great asset in AAA and someone to add to Bailey and Cueto as pitching prospects w/ excellent potential, but I don't think trading our #1 trade chip for another pitching prospect who WONT fix the pitching problem that we have going into 08 is the best idea.
If this move is paired w/ a 1yr. signing of Livan or Colon... then I don't guess it's that bad of a move, but it would pretty much just be dumping Hamilton... I feel that this is a mistake because I love the guy, but w/ the pampering he required in 07... supposedly it led to bad team chemisty (at least BP was vocal about it) and I suppose he's something of an injury/relapse risk... If I was a gambling woman - I'd bet on Hamilton, but it seems to me that the Reds aren't planning on it.. and I look for him to be traded before the season starts. That being said... I wish we could package him w/ others and get back more of a sure thing - I've kinda given up on Bedard, but Snell, Shield, Cain... If those guys are available.. sign me up... if they're not though... I guess I can live w/ a Volquez for Hamilton trade as long as its paired w/ a signing that would give us an "innings eater" that we need in 08 - of which Volquez, Bailey, Cueto (maybe even Belisle) won't be because of their young, fragile, and valuable arms. An 08 rotation of: Harang Arroyo Livan/Colon Belisle Bailey/Volquez/Cueto and in 09- we'll know more of what Belisle, Bailey, Cueto, and Volquez can do - if they're all or at least 3 of them are studs - then we'll have our rotation, but if not .. then we swoop in and land Derek Lowe in the FA market as our #2/3. Anyway, in conclusion.... my guess is Hamilton is gone.... I hope if that's the case that WK gets as much as he can for him, at least. |
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12-21-2007, 05:20 PM
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Re: Hamilton to Rangers for Edinson Volquez?
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12-21-2007, 05:27 PM
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Re: Hamilton to Rangers for Edinson Volquez?
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12-21-2007, 05:29 PM
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Re: Hamilton to Rangers for Edinson Volquez?
It's on mlb.com
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...2007&fext=.jsp |
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12-21-2007, 05:32 PM
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Re: Hamilton to Rangers for Edinson Volquez?
Could this have been to get someone to put in the Bedard deal?
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12-21-2007, 05:33 PM
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Re: Hamilton to Rangers for Edinson Volquez?
Sounds like it's done. Really strange trade after the potential Hamilton showed. Only good thing I can think about it is that maybe it means the Bedard nonsense is over.
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12-21-2007, 05:42 PM
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Hamilton dealt to the Rangers
Just heard on WLW, Seg says 6:30 press conference to announce Hamilton to the Rangers.
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12-21-2007, 05:42 PM
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Re: Hamilton to Rangers for Edinson Volquez?
What kind of stuff does Herrera have?
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12-21-2007, 05:42 PM
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Re: Hamilton dealt to the Rangers
Darnit darnit darnit darnit!
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