Chad Johnson -- The definitive Thread

[cincrazy]

Originally Posted by WilyMoROCKS

Point is, he wasn't a first round pick.

My bad for the slip up. We've had so many busts over the years I suppose I tend to lose track. He's still been a major disappointment though, especially off the field.

[pedro]

Originally Posted by cincrazy

Point is, he's still a piece of garbage that was a waste of a valuable pick

I know Thurman's got some problems but it's not really cool to refer to other human beings as "garbage". It lessens us all.

at least unless they are murderers and rapists, anyway.

[cincrazy]

I'm a Bengals fan... it's not a horse that I ride, it's a one legged mule, and it doesn't stand very high at all

[Danny Serafini]

Originally Posted by WVRed

TJ= 112 receptions, 1,143 yards, 12 TD's
Chad= 93 receptions, 1,440 yards, 8 TD's

TJ thrives off of the double teams that Chad draws. Remove Chad and TJ's numbers take a big dip.

[cincrazy]

Originally Posted by pedro

I know Thurman's got some problems but it's not really cool to refer to other human beings as "garbage". It lessens us all.

at least unless they are murderers and rapists, anyway.

You're correct. I'm not sure what's sadder though, Thurman not getting help himself, or the people around him not doing enough to pull him up from the gutter. He's a guy a lot like Clarett.. had his future in the palm of his hands, and threw it all away.

[cincrazy]

Originally Posted by Danny Serafini

TJ thrives off of the double teams that Chad draws. Remove Chad and TJ's numbers take a big dip.

Agreed. I know this example is from the college game, but during the 2007 BCS title game, when Ginn got hurt, you saw what happened to Gonzo.

He was much easier to handle without safeties sliding over to guard against Ginn flying down the field.

[WMR]

Originally Posted by pedro

I know Thurman's got some problems but it's not really cool to refer to other human beings as "garbage". It lessens us all.

at least unless they are murderers and rapists, anyway.

I believe DUKE fans qualify as another exception.

[klw]

I would trade him for a 1st rounder and Jay Bruce

Why would anyone trade a 1st for him until it is clear whether Moss is returning to the Patriots?

[Bip Roberts]

Originally Posted by klw

I would trade him for a 1st rounder and Jay Bruce

Why would anyone trade a 1st for him until it is clear whether Moss is returning to the Patriots?

Because the patriots are just going to franchise him

[Highlifeman21]

Originally Posted by WVRed

TJ= 112 receptions, 1,143 yards, 12 TD's
Chad= 93 receptions, 1,440 yards, 8 TD's

Yet you wouldn't send Chad. I know Chad has been more consistent and productive since entering the league while TJ has had to work his way up, but as Willy Mo pointed out, Chad is 31 and TJ is about the same age. Wide receiver is also the most overrated and overglorified position on offense and once they age, its impossible to predict whether or not they will stay healthy.

Here's a better question. TO is a FA at the end of the season. If Dallas called and offered both first round picks(Keyshawn trade) for Chad, would you take it and use the picks to revamp the defense?

TJ has greatly benefited from Chad being double-teamed/getting more attention from the secondary. Basically, he's made the most of his opportunities. Good for him.

I wouldn't send Chad b/c we know what Chad can and will do, while we have seen what TJ's done, but can't accurately predict what he can do. Chad's a special talent. TJ, not so much. Chad's an elite WR. Again, TJ, not so much.

If someone was dumb enough to offer 2 1st Round Picks for any WR, there's no possible way you can turn down that offer. I like Chad as much as the next guy, but 2 1st Round Picks? That's a no-brainer. As for revamping the D, I'm not so convinced 2 1st Round Draft Picks would really help all that much. We just have too many needs. The more I think about it, the more I think we need to keep Chad and Carson, and send everyone else packing that's 27 or older. Interesting to see how that would play out.

[CaiGuy]

Sure, maybe we could draft the next Chad Johnson.

[CaiGuy]

Originally Posted by klw

I would trade him for a 1st rounder and Jay Bruce

Why would anyone trade a 1st for him until it is clear whether Moss is returning to the Patriots?

Bruce could dominate the NFL during the baseball off season

[bucksfan2]

Originally Posted by CaiGuy

Sure, maybe we could draft the next Chad Johnson.

Of the first round WR draft picks in the past 5 how many have turned into top notch WR? Drafting WR's is easier said than done. Here are the WR's taken in the first round in each of the last 5 drafts.

2003
Andre Johnson*
Charles Rogers
Bryant Johnson
2004
Larry Fitzgerald*
Roy Williams*
Reggie Williams
Lee Evans
Michael Clayton
Michael Jenkins
Rashaun Woods
2005
Braylon Edwards*
Troy Williamson
Mike Williams
Mark Clayton
Roddy White
2006
Santonio Holmes
2007
Ted Ginn, Jr.
Dwayne Bowe
Robert Meachem
Craig Davis
Anthony Gonzalez

The guys with * have made the pro bowl (Roy Williams of the Cowboys continues to make the Pro Bowl so take this with a grain of salt) and tend to be pretty good bets to be #1 type recievers. Outside of the Pro Bowlers, Holmes and Evans are really see the only other WR's that I can forsee becomeing a type #1 reciever. IMO none of these guys will become as good of a WR as Chad is.

[camisadelgolf]

I read some research about NFL draft picks in recent years, and when it came to drafting wide receivers in the first round, the odds were about 50/50 that the WR would be a bust.

[Boss-Hog]

I wouldn't trade him for a first round pick. While I don't agree with everything Chad does, I don't think he's responsible for all the selfishness/maturity issues often associated with the team.