RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion  

Go Back   RedsZone.com - Cincinnati Reds Fans' Home for Baseball Discussion > RedsZone > The Old Red Guard

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-04-2008, 01:36 PM   #1
_Sir_Charles_
2013 NL MVP and WS MVP
 
_Sir_Charles_'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 6,349
You've got to love Adam Dunn....

Per Hal's blog...
Quote:
WHEN KEARNS leaves the stadium today, a surprise awaits him - not one he will welcome. When he drove to the park Friday, Kearns thought it would be funny to park in Adam Dunn’s personal spot in the garage. So he parked it and locked it.
Then Dunn arrived and saw Kearns in his spot. What did he do? What any red-blooded male would do when somebody takes his parking spot. Parking rage.
Dunn deflated all four tires and slabbed peanut butter under all four door handles. “He thought it was pretty funny to take my parking spot,” said Dunn. “Let’s see how funny it is when he wants to leave in a hurry after the game.”
__________________

_Sir_Charles_ is offline   Reply With Quote
Turn Off Ads?
Old 07-04-2008, 01:40 PM   #2
Homer Bailey
I'm back... and forth
 
Homer Bailey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 4,595
Re: You've got to love Adam Dunn....

Haha wow. I can understand the peanut butter part but deflating the tires might be a little too much.
Homer Bailey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-04-2008, 01:42 PM   #3
_Sir_Charles_
2013 NL MVP and WS MVP
 
_Sir_Charles_'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 6,349
Re: You've got to love Adam Dunn....

Lots of good stuff in his blog today. Canadian hat on the 4th of July. Brandon Larson update. Even some stuff on the Weathers' trade rumors.
__________________

_Sir_Charles_ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-04-2008, 05:20 PM   #4
jojo
Five Tool Fool
 
jojo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 16,545
Re: You've got to love Adam Dunn....

I think it's funny that Dunn assumed Kearns would want to leave in a hurry after the game. How is it that Kearns beat Dunn to the stadium too?

Shouldn't Dunn be taking infield practice or something?
__________________
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
jojo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-04-2008, 06:00 PM   #5
MasonBuzz3
Member
 
MasonBuzz3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 863
Re: You've got to love Adam Dunn....

Quote:
Originally Posted by jojo View Post
I think it's funny that Dunn assumed Kearns would want to leave in a hurry after the game. How is it that Kearns beat Dunn to the stadium too?

Shouldn't Dunn be taking infield practice or something?
I'm probably guessing that is more to do with Kearns arriving earlier than normal to beat Dunn to the park....amazing that people nitpick Dunn for literally everything
MasonBuzz3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2008, 07:28 AM   #6
jojo
Five Tool Fool
 
jojo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 16,545
Re: You've got to love Adam Dunn....

Quote:
Originally Posted by MasonBuzz3 View Post
I'm probably guessing that is more to do with Kearns arriving earlier than normal to beat Dunn to the park....amazing that people nitpick Dunn for literally everything
There is nothin' amazing about pointing out the most obvious and glaring part of the "joke" given the recent national attention Dunn's "passion for the game" recieved and his equally national response....

Maybe a GM in Toronto doesn't know him but it looks like such a GM could've pulled the same joke on him as one of Dunn's intimate friends.

Sometimes we think we're working harder than we might be at times....Just sayin'......
__________________
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
jojo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2008, 08:51 AM   #7
hebroncougar
Member
 
hebroncougar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 2,015
Re: You've got to love Adam Dunn....

Quote:
Originally Posted by jojo View Post
There is nothin' amazing about pointing out the most obvious and glaring part of the "joke" given the recent national attention Dunn's "passion for the game" recieved and his equally national response....

Maybe a GM in Toronto doesn't know him but it looks like such a GM could've pulled the same joke on him as one of Dunn's intimate friends.

Sometimes we think we're working harder than we might be at times....Just sayin'......
How many Redszoner's that have to be at work by 8 a.m. are there by 6? And if you aren't there until 8, I guess you have no passion for your job?

Last edited by hebroncougar; 07-05-2008 at 08:55 AM.
hebroncougar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2008, 09:09 AM   #8
Always Red
nothing more than a fan
 
Always Red's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 3,960
Re: You've got to love Adam Dunn....

Quote:
Originally Posted by hebroncougar View Post
How many Redszoner's that have to be at work by 8 a.m. are there by 6? And if you aren't there until 8, I guess you have no passion for your job?
If Dunn slept at the ballpark, some would say he was too lazy to go home.
Always Red is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2008, 11:18 AM   #9
jojo
Five Tool Fool
 
jojo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 16,545
Re: You've got to love Adam Dunn....

I'm not a Dunn basher and it's way too easy to see how this story plays into the apparent prevailing view of Dunn by those outside of Cincy....
__________________
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
jojo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2008, 12:17 PM   #10
corkedbat
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Lexington
Posts: 4,949
Re: You've got to love Adam Dunn....

I kinda fall in the middle on AD. I appreciate numbers like his OBP, runs scored, RBIs, etc. I think that his natural style is laid back and he cares more about winning than he shows.

I agree that he has been mis-used in the lineup by several managers and should have batted in the top three or four all along. I also wonder where they expect to find the offense to replace his numbers if they let him walk deal him for lesser talent. I still support the Hamilton/Volquez deal, but would have been more leery of it had I known they weren't gonna retain Dunn (I thought that deal meant re-upping him was a foregone conclusion).

Having said all that, I don't think AD is above criticism. He is not the most passionate or driven player in the game. Watching him round third the other night against Cleveland (when he collided with Soppach) was the very definition of "lumbering".

Now I don't expect any sprinting championships out of him, but frankly, I saw an out of shape ballplayer (not that this was a complete revelation, but that shot really brought it home).

Does this totally cancel out the good points above or the contributions he has made to this franchise? Of course not. But it illustrates why there seems to be so little interest in him from other clubs and why he hasn't been offered a new deal.

I don't expect everyone to be a gung-ho rah-rah type, but for the kind of money and priviledge Dunn has received and especially the kind it will take to keep him in town, I think a club can and should expect maximum effort and preparation both on the field and in the offseason.

I have no imperical data to show that losing 20 pounds, spending 20% more effort in preparation or spending an extra 20 mins. in the batting cage or a more structured/dilligent workout regiment in the offseason would result in 20 more RBIs a season, 20 points on his BA, 20% fewer strikeouts a season or even a few steps on a ball in the OF, but I'd sure like to find out if I'm gonna give him $18M or more a year to return.

I think the TOR GM's remarks were pretty stupid for a public forum, but I also believe it was a rare glimpse into the "book" on Dunn and why there is so little interest in acquiring him in a trade.

I think Dunn was handed superstar status a few years ago by Reds mangement and he hasnt been pushed like he should have been. I'm also of the opinion that there was a point a couple of years ago when he should have been dealt for maximum return, but he wasn't. Both were opportunitiies lost and fall squarely on the collective shoulders of the club's ever-(r)evolving management.

They now find themselves with an untennable choice. Offering a mega-contract to an OF who does not keep himself in the best of shape, but has a body-type that will not age gracefully (on already troublesome knees) - one who should really be a 1Bman, but balks at the prospect and doesn't show much in the way of leadership or the kind of effort it tkes to mitigate the effects of age.

(OR)

Deal him for an average position player or a prospect (suspect?) or two or let him walk in exchange for a couple of draft picks who (by the percentages) at best will be several years from helping the team or (more likely) will never see the majors.

I don't hate Dunn or expect him to change - he is what he is and despite the last few graphs, I'm not opposed to re-signing him to a 2 or three yr. deal with an option (with provisions that he try a move to 1B and any no-trade clause is very limited in scope). I blame Reds management for the current predicament. But I also don't believe in looking at Dunn's numbers, proclaiming him some sort of "Saber-god" and rolling my eyes whenever someone dares to criticize him and blowing it off as rantings of the clueless.

It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out though.

Last edited by corkedbat; 07-05-2008 at 12:21 PM.
corkedbat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2008, 01:10 PM   #11
RedsManRick
Stat Wanker Hodiernus
 
RedsManRick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 14,910
Re: You've got to love Adam Dunn....

That's a very even-handed view of Dunn, cb. Excellent post.
__________________
Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.
RedsManRick is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-05-2008, 01:18 PM   #12
JaxRed
Member
 
JaxRed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 9,228
Re: You've got to love Adam Dunn....

I was getting ready to post the same thing. Excellent post Corked. I'm of the opinion that the 13+ million contract is a killer for the Reds, so I would either move him this year if the return is nice or offer him arb and take the picks. I would not go for an extension unless there was a significant discount. (like 8 million)
JaxRed is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2008, 09:05 AM   #13
WebScorpion
SERP deep cover ops
 
WebScorpion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: In the Ether
Posts: 5,363
Re: You've got to love Adam Dunn....

Quote:
Originally Posted by hebroncougar View Post
How many Redszoner's that have to be at work by 8 a.m. are there by 6? And if you aren't there until 8, I guess you have no passion for your job?
Exactly! I have no passion for my job. Of course, I think that's why they call it work. I don't play a game for a living.
__________________

"It doesn't get any better than this," --Marty Brennaman
WebScorpion is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2008, 09:16 AM   #14
Falls City Beer
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 24,098
Re: You've got to love Adam Dunn....

My guess is that if Dunn is traded he'll "all of a sudden" find passion with his other team and perform well into his thirties.

Sometimes caring about your job means moving to an atmosphere where others really care about the bottom line. Some lead; some are meant to be led. Dunn's probably the latter, but it doesn't mean he can't or won't contribute like crazy with enough incentive. I know I've worked harder in more invigorating and competitive environments in the past.
Falls City Beer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2008, 09:52 AM   #15
jojo
Five Tool Fool
 
jojo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 16,545
Re: You've got to love Adam Dunn....

Quote:
Originally Posted by Falls City Beer View Post
My guess is that if Dunn is traded he'll "all of a sudden" find passion with his other team and perform well into his thirties.

Sometimes caring about your job means moving to an atmosphere where others really care about the bottom line. Some lead; some are meant to be led. Dunn's probably the latter, but it doesn't mean he can't or won't contribute like crazy with enough incentive. I know I've worked harder in more invigorating and competitive environments in the past.
Are you suggesting he sign with the Patriots?
__________________
"This isn’t stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner
jojo is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:49 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

Board Moderators may, at their discretion and judgment, delete and/or edit any messages that violate any of the following guidelines: 1. Explicit references to alleged illegal or unlawful acts. 2. Graphic sexual descriptions. 3. Racial or ethnic slurs. 4. Use of edgy language (including masked profanity). 5. Direct personal attacks, flames, fights, trolling, baiting, name-calling, general nuisance, excessive player criticism or anything along those lines. 6. Posting spam. 7. Each person may have only one user account. It is fine to be critical here - that's what this board is for. But let's not beat a subject or a player to death, please.

Thank you, and most importantly, enjoy yourselves!

RedsZone.com is a privately owned website and is not affiliated with the Cincinnati Reds or Major League Baseball

Contact us: Boss | GIK | dabvu2498 | GADawg | Gallen5862 | LexRedsFan | mattfeet | MBZags | Plus Plus | redsfan1995 | The Operator | Tommyjohn25