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Re: Selig's term extended through 2012
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I think Bud has come to the slow, painful realization that taking a hard line with the players is not the way to get things done. He's probably the first post-free agent commissioner to finally realize that.
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Stat Wanker Hodiernus
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Chicago, IL
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Re: Selig's term extended through 2012 at $15M per year
The purpose of the commissioner is to serve as an independent arbiter between labor and ownership, representing the interests of the game when the two sides are unable to reach agreements. Instead, Bud has interpreted the role to be that of the CEO of the industry. Whether or not his changes have helped grow the game are beside the point in my book. Growing the game is not his job.
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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Re: Selig's term extended through 2012 at $15M per year
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The commish has been representing the owners whims since the mid 40's and the first guy who held the job was hardly an arbitrator who valued the position of both sides. It's a figurehead position playing the back room votes of the owners consensus in public, also in public they broker deals with their semi equals the players union, whose thin moment of earning power causes them to both accept less and demand less. It's like the push me pull me, it seems it's moving one way for one group, then the other... but in reality they all move in unison. |
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Stat Wanker Hodiernus
Join Date: Dec 2004
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
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Re: Selig's term extended through 2012 at $15M per year
In the real world the Commissioner is nominated and paid by the owners. The players have no say in the matter. It follows that he'll represent the interests of the owners.
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Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Land of the Lost
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I don't credit him with maximizing revenue because he hasn't really done much for that. The business of revenue maximization has primarily been the province of the individual teams. The Yankees by themselves have done more to increase the revenues of MLB as a whole than any initiatives from the commissioners office. Sure, he's implemented some degree of revenue sharing among clubs. But he has done little to improve the health of the game in all of its markets. IMO, a good commissioner, while pushing for the Red Sox and Yankees to share more of the wealth, he would also push for teams like the Royals, Pirates, and especially the Marlins to invest more of that revenue sharing money in ways that improve the quality of their play AND enhance revenues for the ballclub. Part of the reason why the Yankees have sympathy with players and fans when it comes to revenue sharing is that some teams use it as a form of billionaire welfare. I also don't see how you can really give Selig all that much credit for peace between the players and the owners, considering the only baseball strike to cancel a World Series was under his watch. Couple that with the brinksmanship he engaged in with contraction and the whole steroids era, and it looks more and more like Selig isn't some proactive champion who has done much good for baseball. Instead I see him as a passive caretaker whose strong point has been building a consensus among the owners for compromise positions. While it's a valuable asset, it's hardly the mark of a great commissioner. I don't hate Selig. I just think the sport really needs a visionary commissioner who can help owners realize that players aren't their adversaries but actually their best assets and that having a good, well marketed organization in Kansas City is just as important for the long-term health of the game as having one in New York or Boston. I'd like to see a commissioner who promotes the game so that national broadcasts get good rating even when the Yankees and Red Sox aren't playing. The commissioner works for the owners, it's true. However, the mark of a good commissioner is one who can convince his bosses that something is in their long-term best interest even when they can't see it themselves.
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Join Date: Oct 2000
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Stat Wanker Hodiernus
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Chicago, IL
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Re: Selig's term extended through 2012 at $15M per year
Well, yes. I meant that they shouldn't pretend that it is anything but that. The window dressing of impartiality serves no purpose.
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Hey Cubs Fans
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: New York
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Yep. He's up there to take the heat from the Feds. The other Bosses are the real power.
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Join Date: May 2001
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Re: Selig's term extended through 2012 at $15M per year
This pretty well sums up my feelings...
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/telan...rick18.article Quote:
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Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Denver
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I'm convinced that baseball has thrived in spite of Selig, not because of Selig. Right place. Right time. Very, very lucky. He's made bad decision after bad decision. If David Stern had been commissioner of baseball for the past 15 years, I bet its popularity would be much closer to the NFL than it is now.
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Join Date: Sep 2000
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Re: Selig's term extended through 2012 at $15M per year
The conspiracy theory running around is that Selig's extension might have a lot to do with his eventual successor. Supposedly there's a certain fellow, whom we'll call POTUS for the sake of anonymity, who wants the job, but who would be a disastrous choice at this moment in time. The thinking is that perhaps this POTUS will become more palatable in another five years.
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Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
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Re: Selig's term extended through 2012 at $15M per year
A long time ago when I saw GW Bush in his front row box seat at Rangers games, I commented how he'd found a far superior "life" than his family of politicians. He'd sit there with a big box of popcorn, hot dog and a drink and looked like he'd found real happiness. Then he allowed the GOP to talk him into running for Governor and yeah, you know the rest. He'd have been much better off running the Texas Rangers and maybe eventually being Commissioner for $15mill a year. I wonder is he regrets ever being roped into politics.
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Join Date: Jun 2003
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First Time Caller
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Re: Selig's term extended through 2012 at $15M per year
If POTUS becomes the next commissioner, I predict the player's union will be the next Evil Empire.
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