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Redleg39 · 01-28-2008, 11:51 PM

www.rogerclemensreport.com

Just read part of the report made by Clemens' lawyer. Pretty interesting statistics regarding Clemens performance compared to other hall of fame caliber pitchers over the age of 40.

Bip Roberts · 01-29-2008, 12:21 AM

Can Rodger get this any more wrong

757690 · 01-30-2008, 01:59 AM

This is from the AP via MSNBC.com

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22903086/

Basically it says that Pettitte will corroborate what trainer Brian McNamee said to the Mitchell report about Clemens and HGH.

Looks like Clemens is knee deep in it now.

Bip Roberts · 01-30-2008, 02:13 AM

But but

smoke6 · 01-30-2008, 08:59 AM

Now it's just going to get ugly. Rocket should have just admitted it.

jmac · 01-30-2008, 11:57 AM

As Starship sang back in the 80's :
" knee deep in the hoop-la"

757690 · 01-30-2008, 12:15 PM

The big flaw in this argument is that both Ryan and R. Johnson started off throwing 100 MPH, while Clemens started throwing 95 MPH. So as they reached 40 years old, their velocity dropped to 95 or around where Clemens was at age 25. Clemens' velocity should have dropped to around 90 MPH, but stayed at close to 95 when he was 40.
I doubt that there is any other pitcher who started out at 95 MPH who still threw that hard at age 40.

jmac · 01-30-2008, 01:50 PM

To me it is not #'s as much as endurance.
As above poster said, if he kas kept an edge physically then I dont care about hearing numbers.
If you have the very very intelligent kid in school who has a 98 GPA while the other very very smart kid has a 95 GPA.
Over the course of time , the one drops to a 96 while the smart kid with a "little help" ( some form of cheating)keeps his 95.

Yes the #'s still compare but the "little help" over time added to this sustaining performance issue.
I believe all signs as of now point toward Roger having "a little help".

Degenerate39 · 01-30-2008, 02:02 PM

Doesn't look good for Roger right now. I believe I saw that Petite is going to testify against him or something along those lines. When I saw it, it was around 6 AM so I was still half a sleep but it was something about Roger and HGH. If I can find that article I'll post it later.

CarolinaRedleg · 01-30-2008, 04:40 PM

You can manipulate numbers to fit any situation if that's what you're looking to do and you're willing to shrink your sample size accordingly.

01-28-2008, 11:51 PM	#1
Redleg39 Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Powell, Ohio Posts: 113	Roger Clemens report www.rogerclemensreport.com Just read part of the report made by Clemens' lawyer. Pretty interesting statistics regarding Clemens performance compared to other hall of fame caliber pitchers over the age of 40.

01-29-2008, 12:21 AM	#2
Bip Roberts Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,189	Re: Roger Clemens report Can Rodger get this any more wrong

01-30-2008, 01:59 AM	#3
757690 Hoping to be 75769013 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Dayton Posts: 6,419	Lawyer: Pettitte can confirm Clemens’ HGH use This is from the AP via MSNBC.com http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22903086/ Basically it says that Pettitte will corroborate what trainer Brian McNamee said to the Mitchell report about Clemens and HGH. Looks like Clemens is knee deep in it now.

01-30-2008, 02:13 AM	#4
Bip Roberts Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,189	Re: Lawyer: Pettitte can confirm Clemens’ HGH use But but

01-30-2008, 08:59 AM	#5
smoke6 Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Topsail, NC Posts: 369	Re: Lawyer: Pettitte can confirm Clemens’ HGH use Now it's just going to get ugly. Rocket should have just admitted it. __________________ SECOND PLACE DOESN'T CONCERN ME

01-30-2008, 11:57 AM	#6
jmac part of BBN Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,304	Re: Lawyer: Pettitte can confirm Clemens’ HGH use As Starship sang back in the 80's : " knee deep in the hoop-la"

01-30-2008, 12:15 PM	#7
757690 Hoping to be 75769013 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Dayton Posts: 6,419	Re: Roger Clemens report The big flaw in this argument is that both Ryan and R. Johnson started off throwing 100 MPH, while Clemens started throwing 95 MPH. So as they reached 40 years old, their velocity dropped to 95 or around where Clemens was at age 25. Clemens' velocity should have dropped to around 90 MPH, but stayed at close to 95 when he was 40. I doubt that there is any other pitcher who started out at 95 MPH who still threw that hard at age 40.

01-30-2008, 01:50 PM	#8
jmac part of BBN Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,304	Re: Roger Clemens report To me it is not #'s as much as endurance. As above poster said, if he kas kept an edge physically then I dont care about hearing numbers. If you have the very very intelligent kid in school who has a 98 GPA while the other very very smart kid has a 95 GPA. Over the course of time , the one drops to a 96 while the smart kid with a "little help" ( some form of cheating)keeps his 95. Yes the #'s still compare but the "little help" over time added to this sustaining performance issue. I believe all signs as of now point toward Roger having "a little help".

01-30-2008, 02:02 PM	#9
Degenerate39 Senor Votto Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 7,849	Re: Roger Clemens report Doesn't look good for Roger right now. I believe I saw that Petite is going to testify against him or something along those lines. When I saw it, it was around 6 AM so I was still half a sleep but it was something about Roger and HGH. If I can find that article I'll post it later. __________________ Most Vottomatic Player

01-30-2008, 04:40 PM	#10
CarolinaRedleg OOOOH YEEEAHHHH!! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 578	Re: Roger Clemens report You can manipulate numbers to fit any situation if that's what you're looking to do and you're willing to shrink your sample size accordingly.

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