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LoganBuck · 02-01-2008, 02:35 PM

I can't figure out how Dusty is going to stack the lineup this year, especially with Votto, and if Bruce makes the team out of spring training. What are some of your thoughts?

RedLegSuperStar · 02-01-2008, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoganBuck

I can't figure out how Dusty is going to stack the lineup this year, especially with Votto, and if Bruce makes the team out of spring training. What are some of your thoughts?

Without Bruce:

Freel/Hopper CF
Phillips 2B
Dunn LF
Encarnacion 3B
Griffey RF
Votto 1B
Gonzalez SS
Ross C

With Bruce:

Encarnacion 3B
Gonzalez SS
Dunn LF
Phillips 2B
Griffey RF
Bruce CF
Votto 1B
Ross C

pahster · 02-01-2008, 02:43 PM

Assuming Bruce starts the year with the Reds:

Votto
Encarnacion
Dunn
Griffey
Bruce
Phillips
Gonzalez
Ross/Valentine

I expect something more along the lines of (at least at first):
Phillips (he's fast)
Gonzalez ("professional bat handler")
Griffey
Dunn
Encarnacion
Votto
Bruce
Ross

WVRedsFan · 02-01-2008, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoganBuck

I can't figure out how Dusty is going to stack the lineup this year, especially with Votto, and if Bruce makes the team out of spring training. What are some of your thoughts?

I'm assuming that Bruce does not start right away. If he doesn't, you probably will get:

Freel
Phillips
Griffey
Votto
Dunn
Encarnacion
Gonzalez
Ross

Then it goes R-R-L-L-L-R-R-R. Kind of screwy and kind of looking at what he did in Chicago. When Bruce finally starts (and I hope it's soon), You'll probably see Phillips lead off and Brue bat fourth.

RedsManRick · 02-01-2008, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pahster

I expect something more along the lines of (at least at first):
Phillips (he's fast)
Gonzalez ("professional bat handler")
Griffey
Dunn
Encarnacion
Votto
Bruce
Ross

If I had to put money on any one lineup with the above 8 players, I think you've got it.

With Freel or Hopper:

Freel/Hopper
Phillips
Griffey
Encarnacion
Dunn
Gonzalez
Votto
Ross

Yuck.

My personal lineup looks like this:

1B Votto
3B Encarnacion
LF Dunn
RF Griffey
2B Phillips
CF Bruce
SS Gonzalez
C Ross

mth123 · 02-01-2008, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedsManRick

If I had to put money on any one lineup with the above 8 players, I think you've got it.

With Freel or Hopper:

Freel/Hopper
Phillips
Griffey
Encarnacion
Dunn
Gonzalez
Votto
Ross

Yuck.

I think this topic is a reason that Bruce may be left in AAA at the start of the year. It enables the Reds to use Freel/Hopper as the obvious lead-off choice.

Its one of the reasons that I prefer a trade of EdE with some minor leaguers over the other players in any deal or a pitcher. Keppinger can lead-off at 3B and the team won't feel forced to hold Bruce back to make a spot for a lead-off guy.

I doubt the Reds do this but my line-up would be:

Bruce CF
EdE 3B
Dunn LF
Griffey RF
Phillips 2B
Votto 1B
Gonzalez SS
Ross C

pedro · 02-01-2008, 03:34 PM

My money's on Jay Bruce going north with the major league team.

I don;t think the Reds would have traded Hamilton if that wasn't the plan.

Chip R · 02-01-2008, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pahster

I expect something more along the lines of (at least at first):
Phillips (he's fast)
Gonzalez ("professional bat handler")
Griffey
Dunn
Encarnacion
Votto
Bruce
Ross

I expect that to be pretty close to the way it will be with Bruce in there. Maybe Votto and Gonzo are swapped but otherwise I think that will be accurate.

mth123 · 02-01-2008, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pedro

My money's on Jay Bruce going north with the major league team.

I don;t think the Reds would have traded Hamilton if that wasn't the plan.

That is what I thought initially too. I just have a hunch listening to Dusty. When Dusty was asked he named Freel and Hopper and others who could surprise or something like that.

reds44 · 02-01-2008, 04:00 PM

With Bruce:
Votto 1B
Phillips 2B
Dunn LF
Griffey RF
Edwin 3B
Bruce CF
Gonzalez SS
Ross C

Without Bruce:
Hopper CF
Phillips 2B
Dunn LF
Griffey RF
Edwin 3B
Votto 1B
Gonzalez SS
Ross C

Chip R · 02-01-2008, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pedro

My money's on Jay Bruce going north with the major league team.

I don;t think the Reds would have traded Hamilton if that wasn't the plan.

If he has a good spring I would agree. But if he hits .180 and looks overmatched in the spring, you have to believe he's going back to LOU. Because they have Freel and Hopper - 2 guys who can play CF and lead off and are scrappy and/or vets - they really don't need to take Bruce north unless he has a great spring. But injuries could change all that too. I'm not saying that Dusty is anti-youth but all things being equal he is probably going to go with a vet over a kid who hasn't had one AB in the Show and I would guess most managers would do the same.

Will M · 02-01-2008, 04:17 PM

vs RHP:
Votto
EE
Griffey
Phiilips
Dunn
Bruce
Ross
Gonzalez

vs LHP:
Hopper
Kep
EE
Phillips
Dunn
Ross
Bruce
Gonzalez

The idea is Griifey can't play 162 games and is MUCH better vs righties than lefties. So get Hopper in there vs lefties.

pedro · 02-01-2008, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chip R

If he has a good spring I would agree. But if he hits .180 and looks overmatched in the spring, you have to believe he's going back to LOU.

most certainly.

red-in-la · 02-01-2008, 05:02 PM

Betting on Opening Day:

Hopper - CF
Bruce - RF
Phillips - 2B
Dunn - LF
Encarnacion - 3B
Votto - 1B
Keppinger - SS
Valentin - C

reds44 · 02-01-2008, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red-in-la

Betting on Opening Day:

Hopper - CF
Bruce - RF
Phillips - 2B
Dunn - LF
Encarnacion - 3B
Votto - 1B
Keppinger - SS
Valentin - C

What happens to Griffey and Gonzalez?

02-01-2008, 02:35 PM	#1
LoganBuck I hate the Cubs Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 5,584	Lineup Construction? I can't figure out how Dusty is going to stack the lineup this year, especially with Votto, and if Bruce makes the team out of spring training. What are some of your thoughts? __________________ Whenever you get mad over a called strike or ball on a close pitch, it's the equivalent of being mad at the QB pump-faking one time before throwing a pass in your average NFL game. ---Caveat Emperor

02-01-2008, 02:43 PM	#3
pahster Something clever Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Carrboro, NC Posts: 1,898	Re: Lineup Construction? Assuming Bruce starts the year with the Reds: Votto Encarnacion Dunn Griffey Bruce Phillips Gonzalez Ross/Valentine I expect something more along the lines of (at least at first): Phillips (he's fast) Gonzalez ("professional bat handler") Griffey Dunn Encarnacion Votto Bruce Ross

02-01-2008, 03:34 PM	#7
pedro Please come again Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: portland, oregon Posts: 14,716	Re: Lineup Construction? My money's on Jay Bruce going north with the major league team. I don;t think the Reds would have traded Hamilton if that wasn't the plan. __________________ Get your nunchucks and the keys to your dad's car. I know where we can get a gun

02-01-2008, 04:17 PM	#12
Will M Brett William Moore Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Crescent Springs KY Posts: 3,511	Hopper vs lefties vs RHP: Votto EE Griffey Phiilips Dunn Bruce Ross Gonzalez vs LHP: Hopper Kep EE Phillips Dunn Ross Bruce Gonzalez The idea is Griifey can't play 162 games and is MUCH better vs righties than lefties. So get Hopper in there vs lefties. __________________ .

02-01-2008, 05:02 PM	#14
red-in-la Member Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Santa Paula, CA Posts: 6,536	Re: Lineup Construction? Betting on Opening Day: Hopper - CF Bruce - RF Phillips - 2B Dunn - LF Encarnacion - 3B Votto - 1B Keppinger - SS Valentin - C __________________ "Is there a problem officers?"

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