Lawyers: McNamee has physical evidence linking Clemens to steroids

[Team Clark]

Originally Posted by Yachtzee

"Chan of Evidence?" Sounds like the latest Jackie Chan movie.

Actually, Congress is acting in an investigatory role here, so the Federal Rules of Evidence don't really apply, just as they wouldn't apply in a grand jury proceeding. Congress isn't putting Clemens on trial, it is investigating MLB and the veracity of the claims in the Mitchell Report. What would the result be? If Congress doesn't think MLB is doing enough to combat PEDs, they may revoke MLB's anti-trust exemption or they may enact legislation requiring random drug testing in professional sports. The only thing they can charge Clemens with is contempt, if he lies to them.

So while this evidence might not make it in if this were a civil or criminal trial, it can be considered by Congress and could also be considered by a grand jury in determining whether to indict Clemens of a crime.

Excellent points. Waaaay better job of putting the "evidence" into perspective than I ever could. Considering how supposedly easy indictments are to get and that Congress has very few lawyers as members I can see this getting out of hand.

[westofyou]

BTW here's what the evidence...err garbage... errr evidence... looked like spread out on the table.

[savafan]

If McNamee lied about other players, then why is Clemens the only one disputing the report?

[savafan]

Also, don't forget that Jason Grimsley also named Clemens as a steroid user.

[NJReds]

Originally Posted by savafan

Also, don't forget that Jason Grimsley also named Clemens as a steroid user.

Actually, he was cleared of that IIRC. I believe that there were names blacked out of the report, and it was reported that he and Pettitte were both names that had been blacked out.

That was later retracted and blamed on bad reporting our incorrect information, etc.

[jojo]

This pretty much sums up my feelings about the Clemens situation:

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/ar...-clemens-time/

Those gleefully taking their opportunity to pound their moral sticks have, in their zeal, kind of missed the point....

[princeton]

Originally Posted by jojo

This pretty much sums up my feelings about the Clemens situation:

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/ar...-clemens-time/

Before we proceed further, I would like to give you my opinion...
I believe Roger Clemens did use anabolic steroids and quite possibly human growth hormone.... Having said this, I find it appalling to read the assumption of guilt among so many.

I have seen this "It's-OK-for-me-to form an opinion on little information because I am naturally instinctive but I am appalled for anyone else to do the same" sentiment before. Every American's got a tiny defense-lawyer-muscle that they flex at their neighbors every once in a while. It's a good thing.

[dabvu2498]

Originally Posted by princeton

Every American's got a tiny defense-lawyer-muscle that they flex at their neighbors every once in a while. It's a good thing.

Well, there's "proof" and then there's PROOF.

[jojo]

Originally Posted by princeton

[B]I have seen this "It's-OK-for-me-to form an opinion on little information because I am naturally instinctive but I am appalled for anyone else to do the same" sentiment before.

You'd have to ignore his argument in order to come away from his editorial with that conclusion....

[princeton]

Originally Posted by jojo

You'd have to ignore his argument in order to come away from his editorial with that conclusion....

his argument is "my weak-inductive-reasoning can beat up your weak-inductive-reasoning"

I find his tone ignorable, ignorant, and ignominious.

[jojo]

Originally Posted by princeton

his argument is "my weak-inductive-reasoning can beat up your weak-inductive-reasoning"

I find his tone ignorable, ignorant, and ignominious.

His argument was essentially, it's alright to have an opinion based upon "weak-inductive-reasoning" if you acknowledge it's weakness with an open mind. He's not critical of the opinion but rather the rush to accept such opinion as fact.

[Sea Ray]

Originally Posted by princeton

Before we proceed further, I would like to give you my opinion...
I believe Roger Clemens did use anabolic steroids and quite possibly human growth hormone.... Having said this, I find it appalling to read the assumption of guilt among so many.

I have seen this "It's-OK-for-me-to form an opinion on little information because I am naturally instinctive but I am appalled for anyone else to do the same" sentiment before. Every American's got a tiny defense-lawyer-muscle that they flex at their neighbors every once in a while. It's a good thing.

I have little problem with Roger doing steroids. Lots of players used. What I have a problem with is his endless lying about it. That's why I want this investigation to go forward. Not because I care if he used...I want to know if he's lying to me, Joe Fan.

[deltachi8]

The one thing that really bothers me the most about the "evidence" that McNamee presented is that, if true, Clemens drinks Miller Lite. Thats a damn shame right there.

[Chip R]

Originally Posted by deltachi8

The one thing that really bothers me the most about the "evidence" that McNamee presented is that, if true, Clemens drinks Miller Lite. Thats a damn shame right there.

Well, you know how athletes in training need to drink a lot of water.

[Blitz Dorsey]

I can't believe this is that big of a story. To anyone with eyes and a brain, Clemens was every bit as obvious as Bonds. And I'm talking five years ago. I didn't need some loser like Brian McNamee to tell me that the Rocket launched due to illegal fuel.