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Kingspoint · 04-02-2008, 07:37 PM

I like Texas Dave's 1st one the best (the one without Corey Patterson in it.).

JinAZ · 04-05-2008, 01:39 AM

Update: I've taken all the lineups in this thread and will start working through them tonight with the model. I have it down pretty quick, but it's still a manual process. Hopefully I will have something on this by the end of the weekend.
-j

tigh24 · 04-05-2008, 01:03 PM

SS Keppinger
CF Hopper
CF Griffey Jr.
2b Phillips
LF Dunn
3b EE
1B Votto
C Javy
P Harang

DannyB · 04-11-2008, 09:02 AM

well?

JinAZ · 04-11-2008, 04:23 PM

Sorry--work has been killing me the last few weeks. I've run all the lineups, and I've half-written a post talking about the data. But I'm trying to work up at least a little bit of interpretation to help understand the results, as they're pretty interesting. I'll try to get it up tonight or tomorrow night though.
-j

Va Red Fan · 04-11-2008, 04:38 PM

Corey Patterson deserves to start and I could care less where he hits in the line-up. Hopper or Freel do not have what CPat has - power, speed and incredible defense.

mlbfan30 · 04-11-2008, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Va Red Fan

Corey Patterson deserves to start and I could care less where he hits in the line-up. Hopper or Freel do not have what CPat has - power, speed and incredible defense.

The argument is NOT that Patterson is worse than those players, the argument is that Patterson should not be leading off.

DannyB · 04-13-2008, 10:29 AM

This just in-

J has made the big time
Can you put the results on ORG?

I unfortunately(?) just was granted ORG access, which is very nice except that it means that I suddenly can't post to my thread about lineups!

So, because you seemed interested in seeing the results, I was hoping that you could post this statement for me in that thread:
http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...t=66651&page=3

Here's my statement:
"I've completed the Markov simulations on all the lineups, and have posted the results here. I welcome feedback, but I no longer have access to post in this forum. So, I'll only be able to respond to your comments on my blog, via e-mail, or in the ORG forums."

Thanks!
Justin
__________________
Blog: On Baseball and the Reds

DannyB · 04-13-2008, 10:48 AM

Dont forget the newest rule

DB41308 states -
New members of ORG shal be required to do 10 games of timely and accurate PBP on gamethreads

_Sir_Charles_ · 04-13-2008, 01:18 PM

Well, I see here that nobody else has tried it, so here goes. The flaming can begin now. :O)

1-Dunn
2-Keppinger
3-Griffey
4-Votto
5-Phillips
6-Patterson
7-Bako
8-Encarnacion (Rosales, Freel, Castro, Hairston, Cabrera...take your pick)
9-pitcher

If it's hariston or cabrera they'd be 7 and Bako'd be 8.

As for my reasoning, you'll find it here. http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...t=67163&page=2

eastkyred · 04-14-2008, 05:29 PM

1-Freel 3B
2-Votto 1B
3-Phillips 2b
4-Bruce CF
5-Kepp SS
6-Griffey RF
7-Dunn LF
8-Catcher
9-Pitcher

After Gonzo returns
1-Phillips 2B
2-Votto 1B
3-Kepp 3B
4-Bruce CF
5-Griffey RF
6-Gonzo SS
7-Dunn LF
8-Catcher
9-Pitcher

Jay Bruce is probably the only guy that is big league ready in the organization that is a true #3 or #4 hitter. Griiffey isn't anymore and I personally don't think Dunn is either. Phillips is not a real high OBP guy, but I expect him to continue to improve. He is potentially the next Jimmy Rollins hitting leadoff.

fugowitribe · 04-14-2008, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eastkyred

1-Freel 3B
2-Votto 1B
3-Phillips 2b
4-Bruce CF
5-Kepp SS
6-Griffey RF
7-Dunn LF
8-Catcher
9-Pitcher

After Gonzo returns
1-Phillips 2B
2-Votto 1B
3-Kepp 3B
4-Bruce CF
5-Griffey RF
6-Gonzo SS
7-Dunn LF
8-Catcher
9-Pitcher

Jay Bruce is probably the only guy that is big league ready in the organization that is a true #3 or #4 hitter. Griiffey isn't anymore and I personally don't think Dunn is either. Phillips is not a real high OBP guy, but I expect him to continue to improve. He is potentially the next Jimmy Rollins hitting leadoff.

Do you really think that Jay Bruce has the ability right now to out produce Corey Patterson?

eastkyred · 04-15-2008, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fugowitribe

Do you really think that Jay Bruce has the ability right now to out produce Corey Patterson?

I think offensively he does. I think this team is in need of middle of the order bats. Patterson is off to a great start, but he is what he is. If you want to know what C. Patterson is going to be this year, just look at his career. Other than the steals, I think Bruce would be better offensively right now. Patterson is a career .258 hitter with an OPS of .715. I think Bruce would easily surpass these numbers right now. I'm certainly not blaming Patterson for our offensive struggles, but if we are counting on Patterson to keep this up and carry a big part of the load offensively, we are all going to be sorry.

AmarilloRed · 04-15-2008, 01:47 PM

1. Votto
2. Keppinger
3. Griffey
4. Dunn
5. Philips
6. Edwin
7. Patterson
8. Valentin
9. Pitcher

I know Votto starts slowly, but I think he could be a good lead-off man.

Eric Davis · 06-28-2008, 11:26 PM

Defensively I think it's time to move brandon phillips to shortstop. Athletic shortstops who can hit don't grow on trees. BP defensively would be a huge upgrade over anyone else we have. I like Jerry Hairston as a utility player but the guy has no business starting games at shortstop. I also like the idea because it could Keppinger in the lineup full time as a more natural second baseman. Keppinger is an ok ss but the best athletes need to be at the most important positions and that is BP at shortstop. I'd be more than satisfied with an infield of EE, BP, Kepp, and Votto going into 2009.

04-02-2008, 07:37 PM	#31
Kingspoint Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: All over Posts: 6,940	Re: Can you make a better lineup than Dusty Baker? I like Texas Dave's 1st one the best (the one without Corey Patterson in it.).

04-05-2008, 01:39 AM	#32
JinAZ Basement-Dwelling Blogger Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 144	Re: Can you make a better lineup than Dusty Baker? Update: I've taken all the lineups in this thread and will start working through them tonight with the model. I have it down pretty quick, but it's still a manual process. Hopefully I will have something on this by the end of the weekend. -j __________________ Blog: Basement Dwellers Also: Beyond the Box Score

04-05-2008, 01:03 PM	#33
tigh24 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 26	Re: Can you make a better lineup than Dusty Baker? SS Keppinger CF Hopper CF Griffey Jr. 2b Phillips LF Dunn 3b EE 1B Votto C Javy P Harang

04-11-2008, 09:02 AM	#34
DannyB Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 793	Re: Can you make a better lineup than Dusty Baker? well?

04-11-2008, 04:23 PM	#35
JinAZ Basement-Dwelling Blogger Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 144	Re: Can you make a better lineup than Dusty Baker? Sorry--work has been killing me the last few weeks. I've run all the lineups, and I've half-written a post talking about the data. But I'm trying to work up at least a little bit of interpretation to help understand the results, as they're pretty interesting. I'll try to get it up tonight or tomorrow night though. -j __________________ Blog: Basement Dwellers Also: Beyond the Box Score

04-11-2008, 04:38 PM	#36
Va Red Fan Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 117	Re: Can you make a better lineup than Dusty Baker? Corey Patterson deserves to start and I could care less where he hits in the line-up. Hopper or Freel do not have what CPat has - power, speed and incredible defense.

04-13-2008, 10:29 AM	#38
DannyB Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 793	Re: Can you make a better lineup than Dusty Baker? This just in-J has made the big time Can you put the results on ORG? I unfortunately(?) just was granted ORG access, which is very nice except that it means that I suddenly can't post to my thread about lineups! So, because you seemed interested in seeing the results, I was hoping that you could post this statement for me in that thread: http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...t=66651&page=3 Here's my statement: "I've completed the Markov simulations on all the lineups, and have posted the results here. I welcome feedback, but I no longer have access to post in this forum. So, I'll only be able to respond to your comments on my blog, via e-mail, or in the ORG forums." Thanks! Justin __________________ Blog: On Baseball and the Reds

04-13-2008, 10:48 AM	#39
DannyB Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 793	Re: Can you make a better lineup than Dusty Baker? Dont forget the newest rule DB41308 states - New members of ORG shal be required to do 10 games of timely and accurate PBP on gamethreads

04-13-2008, 01:18 PM	#40
_Sir_Charles_ 2013 NL MVP and WS MVP Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 6,395	Re: Can you make a better lineup than Dusty Baker? Well, I see here that nobody else has tried it, so here goes. The flaming can begin now. :O) 1-Dunn 2-Keppinger 3-Griffey 4-Votto 5-Phillips 6-Patterson 7-Bako 8-Encarnacion (Rosales, Freel, Castro, Hairston, Cabrera...take your pick) 9-pitcher If it's hariston or cabrera they'd be 7 and Bako'd be 8. As for my reasoning, you'll find it here. http://www.redszone.com/forums/showt...t=67163&page=2 __________________

04-14-2008, 05:29 PM	#41
eastkyred Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 188	Re: Can you make a better lineup than Dusty Baker? 1-Freel 3B 2-Votto 1B 3-Phillips 2b 4-Bruce CF 5-Kepp SS 6-Griffey RF 7-Dunn LF 8-Catcher 9-Pitcher After Gonzo returns 1-Phillips 2B 2-Votto 1B 3-Kepp 3B 4-Bruce CF 5-Griffey RF 6-Gonzo SS 7-Dunn LF 8-Catcher 9-Pitcher Jay Bruce is probably the only guy that is big league ready in the organization that is a true #3 or #4 hitter. Griiffey isn't anymore and I personally don't think Dunn is either. Phillips is not a real high OBP guy, but I expect him to continue to improve. He is potentially the next Jimmy Rollins hitting leadoff.

04-15-2008, 01:47 PM	#44
AmarilloRed Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Amarillo,Texas Posts: 3,997	Re: Can you make a better lineup than Dusty Baker? 1. Votto 2. Keppinger 3. Griffey 4. Dunn 5. Philips 6. Edwin 7. Patterson 8. Valentin 9. Pitcher I know Votto starts slowly, but I think he could be a good lead-off man.

06-28-2008, 11:26 PM	#45
Eric Davis Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 26	Re: Can you make a better lineup than Dusty Baker? Defensively I think it's time to move brandon phillips to shortstop. Athletic shortstops who can hit don't grow on trees. BP defensively would be a huge upgrade over anyone else we have. I like Jerry Hairston as a utility player but the guy has no business starting games at shortstop. I also like the idea because it could Keppinger in the lineup full time as a more natural second baseman. Keppinger is an ok ss but the best athletes need to be at the most important positions and that is BP at shortstop. I'd be more than satisfied with an infield of EE, BP, Kepp, and Votto going into 2009.

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