Cincinnati Reds Contract Obligations

[camisadelgolf]

This is just intended as a reference. Feel free to discuss how good/bad the contracts are. To make the list, a player must be on the 40-man roster or have Major League experience. I apologize if the format is too sloppy--I couldn't think of a better way to do it.

NAME			POS AGE	MLBSVC.	2008		2009		2010		2011		2012

Jon Adkins		RP  30	 2.045	minor league

Jeremy Affeldt		RP  28	 6.000	 3.0mm

Drew T. Anderson	OF  26	 0.021	pre-arbitration

Bronson Arroyo		SP  31	 5.150	 6.45mm		 9.5mm		11.0mm		11.0mm co
											 2.0mm bo
Homer Bailey		SP  21	 0.041	pre-arbitration

Paul Bako		 C  35	 9.140	minor league

Kevin Barker		1B  32	 0.148	minor league

Matt Belisle		SP  27	 3.024	 1.25mm

Bill Bray		RP  24	 1.112	pre-arbitration

Jim Brower		RP  35	 6.040	minor league

NAME			POS AGE	MLBSVC.	2008		2009		2010		2011		2012

Jared Burton		RP  26	 1.000	pre-arbitration

Jolbert Cabrera		IF  35	 5.057	minor league

Juan Castro		IF  35	11.024	 0.975mm	 1.1mm co
							 0.1mm bo
Todd Coffey		RP  27	 2.135	 0.925mm

Alvin Colina		 C  26	 0.024	pre-arbitration

Francisco Cordero	RP  32	 8.046	 9.0mm		12.0mm		12.0mm		12.0mm		12.0mm co
													 1.0mm bo
Jon Coutlangus		RP  27	 0.161	pre-arbitration

Chris Dickerson		OF  25	 0.000	pre-arbitration

Adam Dunn		OF  28	 6.074	13.0mm

Edwin Encarnacion	3B  25	 2.085	pre-arbitration

NAME			POS AGE	MLBSVC.	2008		2009		2010		2011		2012

Josh Fogg		SP  31	 6.030	 1.0mm

Ryan Freel		UT  32	 4.140	 3.0mm		 4.0mm

Richie Gardner		SP  26	 0.000	pre-arbitration

Dave Gassner		SP  29	 0.009	minor league

Jerry Gil		UT  25	 1.130	minor league

Alex Gonzalez		SS  31	 9.034	 4.625mm	 5.375mm	 6.0mm mo
							 0.125mm bonus w/ Gold Glove in 2008
Andy Green		2B  30	 1.120	minor league

Ken Griffey, Jr.	OF  38	19.000	12.5mm		16.5mm co
							 4.0mm bo
Ryan Hanigan		 C  27	 0.027	pre-arbitration

Aaron Harang		SP  29	 5.061	 6.75mm		11.0mm		12.5mm		12.75mm co
											 2.0mm bo
											*option escalates to 13.0mm w/ 210 IP in 2010
											*if traded, 2011 is 14.0mm mo w/ 2.5mm bo
NAME			POS AGE	MLBSVC.	2008		2009		2010		2011		2012

Scott Hatteberg		1B  38	11.070	 1.85mm

Norris Hopper		OF  29	 1.043	pre-arbitration	

Paul Janish		IF  25	 0.000	pre-arbitration

Jeff Keppinger		IF  27	 1.052	pre-arbitration

Justin Lehr		RP  30	 1.049	minor league

Mike Lincoln		RP  32	 3.067	minor league

Bobby Livingston	SP  25	 0.107	pre-arbitration

Marcus McBeth		RP  27	 0.073	pre-arbitration

Gary Majewski		RP  28	 2.117	pre-arbitration

Kent Mercker		RP  40	15.106	minor league

NAME			POS AGE	MLBSVC.	2008		2009		2010		2011		2012

Chris Michalak		RP  37	 1.142	minor league

Ty Pelland		RP  24	 0.000	pre-arbitration

Adam Pettyjohn		SP  30	 1.086	minor league

Andy Phillips		IF  30	 2.055	minor league

Brandon Phillips	2B  26	 3.022	 2.75mm		 4.75mm		 6.75mm		11.0mm		12.0mm co
													 1.0mm bo
Ramon Ramirez		RP  25	 0.000	pre-arbitration

Dave Ross		 C  31	 5.001	 2.525mm	 3.5mm co
							 0.375mm bo
Brad Salmon		RP  28	 0.082	minor league

Scott Sauerbeck		RP  36	 7.000	minor league

Tom Shearn		SP  30	 0.036	minor league

NAME			POS AGE	MLBSVC.	2008		2009		2010		2011		2012

Alex Smit		SP  22	 0.000	pre-arbitration

Mike Stanton		RP  40	18.039	 3.0mm		 2.5mm co
							 0.5mm bo
							2009 option is guaranteed at 2.75mm w/ 140 appearances in 2007-8
Ricky Stone		RP  33	 3.048	minor league

Craig Tatum		 C  25	 0.000	pre-arbitration

Daryl Thompson		SP  22	 0.000	pre-arbitration

Javier Valentin		 C  32	 7.036	 1.3mm

Sergio Valenzuela	SP  23	 0.000	pre-arbitration

Edinson Volquez		SP  24	 0.120	pre-arbitration

Joey Votto		1B  24	 0.027	pre-arbitration

David Weathers		RP  38	14.044	 2.75mm

mm = million dollars
mo = mutual option
co = club option
bo = buyout

[RedsManRick]

Another reference point:

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/200...i-reds_24.html

[cumberlandreds]

It's really sad to see Castro and Stanton on books for 2009.

[Sea Ray]

Originally Posted by cumberlandreds

It's really sad to see Castro and Stanton on books for 2009.

Are we actually commited to them or are we only out a buyout? It's a shame we're out either one but a buyout beats eating a whole year's salary

[princeton]

archive this-- it's useful.


Reds are in a remarkably strong state in terms of next year's arbitrations (EdE alone unless Coffey improves or Bray hits super 2 jackpot), next year's FAs (Dunn alone; Jr is surely gone), current player options (nobody significant). There's a dicey Rule V guy, but otherwise, it really doesn't get structured better than this.

now, we just need better players

[pedro]

Originally Posted by Sea Ray

Are we actually commited to them or are we only out a buyout? It's a shame we're out either one but a buyout beats eating a whole year's salary

$100,000 buy out for Castro

[flyer85]

Castro and Stanton are both club options for 2009 although Stanton has a vesting clause.

[redsrule2500]

Ugh, the Griffey contract is killer right now....imagine what another 17 million free would do for this team!

[princeton]

Originally Posted by redsrule2500

Ugh, the Griffey contract is killer right now....imagine what another 17 million free would do for this team!

you're late to the party

in fact, Jr's contract looks better now than it has in years.

[Hoosier Red]

Quick question on Stanton's contract.

Assume that Stanton is cut in spring training,

OKAY NOW STOP CELEBRATING, THIS IS ONLY HYPOTHETICAL

If another team(say the Cardinals) picks him up,

AGAIN STOP CELEBRATING, NO NEED TO BEGIN IMAGINING STANTON BEING BROUGHT IN TO FACE DUNN LATE IN A GAME, WE'RE ONLY HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING HERE.


Anyways, if the the other team picks him up, do they pick up the same contract he signed with the Reds or do they write a new one? Meaning would the vesting option transfer over to the team he signs with?

[pedro]

Originally Posted by Hoosier Red

Quick question on Stanton's contract.

Assume that Stanton is cut in spring training,

OKAY NOW STOP CELEBRATING, THIS IS ONLY HYPOTHETICAL

If another team(say the Cardinals) picks him up,

AGAIN STOP CELEBRATING, NO NEED TO BEGIN IMAGINING STANTON BEING BROUGHT IN TO FACE DUNN LATE IN A GAME, WE'RE ONLY HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING HERE.


Anyways, if the the other team picks him up, do they pick up the same contract he signed with the Reds or do they write a new one? Meaning would the vesting option transfer over to the team he signs with?

My understanding is that they would only have to pay him the major league minimum with the Reds picking up the rest of the tab for 2008 but if his option vested then whoever picked him up would be responsible for his entire 2009 contract.

[Sea Ray]

Originally Posted by pedro

My understanding is that they would only have to pay him the major league minimum with the Reds picking up the rest of the tab for 2008 but if his option vested then whoever picked him up would be responsible for his entire 2009 contract.

My understanding is it would depend upon whether the Cards picked him up on waivers or did they wait until he cleared waivers and became a free agent. If he's a waiver wire pickup then the Cards would take over the contract. If not then the Reds are responsible for the 2008 contract, plus the buyout (but not the incentives ) minus the major league minimum which the Cards would be responsible for.

[Sea Ray]

Originally Posted by pedro

$100,000 buy out for Castro

That's a bargain

[pedro]

Originally Posted by Sea Ray

My understanding is it would depend upon whether the Cards picked him up on waivers or did they wait until he cleared waivers and because a free agent. If he's a waiver wire pickup then the Cards would take over the contract. If not then the Reds are responsible for the 2008 contract, plus the buyout (but not the incentives ) minus the major league minimum which the Cards would be responsible for.

Hmmm... I'm not sure. I don't think a team is responsible for buyout clauses once a player is not on their roster, unless, of course, nobody picks him up. I could be wrong though.

[Sea Ray]

Originally Posted by pedro

Hmmm... I'm not sure. I don't think a team is responsible for buyout clauses once a player is not on their roster, unless, of course, nobody picks him up. I could be wrong though.

I'm not sure either but it was my recollection that the Reds were still on the hook for Danny Graves' buyout. For example, I doubt that the Reds could cut KGR in Sept if they fall out of the race and escape that $4mill buyout.