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RedlegJake · 04-23-2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by membengal

C Trent on 1530 now...his guesses:

Combination of the money tied up in bad contracts for players let go (Castro, Stanton), roster mismanagement (the Ross conundrum today).

C Trent doesn't think the writing was always on the wall with regard to Jocketty taking over, thinks that Jocketty really didn't want to be thrust into this position right now.

I agree about the money. I agree that maybe Jocketty didn't want this but Cast manuevered him brilliantly.

Tom Servo · 04-23-2008, 11:30 AM

My jaw has yet to return to it's normal position. This is so unexpected.

membengal · 04-23-2008, 11:30 AM

I would like to think that Cueto and Volquez, at the least, have shown just how valuable they are and will not be dealt.

I wonder now about them dealing Adam, though...

lollipopcurve · 04-23-2008, 11:31 AM

Don't like to see the organization undergo another upheaval -- let's see if Jocketty wants to bring in a new set of advisors, scouting directors, etc..... if so, it'll feel to me like they're just not gaining any traction toward sustainable success.

Az Red · 04-23-2008, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by membengal

C Trent on 1530 now...his guesses:

Combination of the money tied up in bad contracts for players let go (Castro, Stanton), roster mismanagement (the Ross conundrum today).

C Trent doesn't think the writing was always on the wall with regard to Jocketty taking over, thinks that Jocketty really didn't want to be thrust into this position right now.

I don't buy the 'money tied up in bad contracts'. Mr. C just lost a bunch of money by firing Kriv. It puts him in a worse financial situation. It always comes down to wins and losses. There's got to be more to this story.

Chip R · 04-23-2008, 11:31 AM

Man, I knew there'd be hell to pay after letting Castro go.

jojo · 04-23-2008, 11:31 AM

Well at least we wont have to worry about an infusion of those sabermatronics things just yet.

KronoRed · 04-23-2008, 11:31 AM

Unbelievable.

No way that Bob woke up and decided now was the time to fire Wayne, he had to have had it in mind for a long time, should have just done it over the offseason when Walt became available.

Comforting I suppose that dysfunction will continue to be a Reds tradition.

KronoRed · 04-23-2008, 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chip R

Man, I knew there'd be hell to pay after letting Castro go.

I was thinking that, Darth Castros final victim

OnBaseMachine · 04-23-2008, 11:32 AM

No way. This is crazy.

Spring~Fields · 04-23-2008, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by membengal

C Trent on 1530 now...his guesses:

Combination of the money tied up in bad contracts for players let go (Castro, Stanton), roster mismanagement (the Ross conundrum today).

That is not a bad assumption. Investors, financial and accounting people get disturbed over tossing money out the door in the millions of dollars, especially if it is done repeatedly like it has been since Krivsky took over.

Roy Tucker · 04-23-2008, 11:33 AM

Yeah, its a curious move.

Lots of valleys and peaks in the curve, but its general trend was up.

Has a Bill Bergesch to Murray Cook feel to it.

Always Red · 04-23-2008, 11:33 AM

This is very Steinbrenner-ish of Cast and the Reds. Not sure if I like it or not- it smacks a bit of over-reaction at this point in the season.

I had heard through the grapevine that there is "no way in the world" that Jocketty wanted to be GM, and he was very happy with the position he was in. Guess that was wrong!

Highlifeman21 · 04-23-2008, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Joseph

I know every prospect doesn't pan out. But I'd hate to think he's going to come in and deal a Cueto, a Bruce, a Bailey for someone just because we need a RH bat.

I'd be surprised if Cueto or Bruce found their way out of town thanks to Walt.

Bailey, on the other hand, would not surprise me at all.

I have a feeling we'll see a mass exodus with our farm system.

Spring~Fields · 04-23-2008, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chip R

Man, I knew there'd be hell to pay after letting Castro go.

I suppose that $1.00 hot dogs are out the door now too.

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Always Red nothing more than a fan Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,985	Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED! This is very Steinbrenner-ish of Cast and the Reds. Not sure if I like it or not- it smacks a bit of over-reaction at this point in the season. I had heard through the grapevine that there is "no way in the world" that Jocketty wanted to be GM, and he was very happy with the position he was in. Guess that was wrong!

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