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Rounding Third · 05-05-2008, 07:15 PM

I think we are all, probably including myself, are overrating the value of our players.

Ryan Freel
A $3MM+ utility player that is reckless, injury prone and on the wrong side of 30. To be able to trade him we wouldn't get that much in return and we would probably have to eat all or most of the contract.

Ken Griffey Jr
Making way to much money and injury prone, this sounds familiar. If we trade him this year he is pretty much a rented bat for a couple of months. Griffey isn't who he used to be though. He isn't going to hit .300 or have a high OBP or hit 40 home runs. Very few suitors for him, all are in the American League. We wouldn't get much in return for him.

Adam Dunn
Probably has the most trade value of anybody right now. A more viable option that Griffey is. A progressive team can see the value in him with his high OBP and home run power. The only downsides are he has only a few teams he can be traded too and it is a contract year. Dunn is exactly the kind of player Walt Jocketty used to trade for. Contract year, undervalued and the team can't afford to keep him.

Bronson Arroyo
Terrible beginning of the year and being paid too much for what he is actually doing. A team may want to take a chance on him, but the Reds would probably not get much in return and would have to take the salary.

Corey Patterson
I wouldn't think anybody would really want to sign Patterson in the offseason. I wish I was correct. Good luck removing him from Dusty's grasp as well. Signed for way too much, seems to be a trend, and hasn't shown and never has shown why he is worth that much.

Norris Hopper
Never know who may want to pick up a speedy 4th-5th outfielder. Not there is a deficiency of them. However his ability to bunt and speed and being able to play at every outfield position is an asset. Not going to get anything breathtaking for him.

Just to sum it all up:

We have a lot of overpaid players that have little to no value. Which means we probably can't get much for these guys.

mroby85 · 05-06-2008, 12:03 AM

the most logical thing to do would be to stop proposing trades since we have absolutely no say in them happening

durl · 05-06-2008, 12:09 AM

I agree with the OP's thought. More than a few people advocate trading players like Griffey, Patterson, and Dunn as though it's a video game in which anything goes. The reality is that player's performance and contracts can add an incredibly high level of complexity to many trades.

Trade ideas are interesting to discuss but we should at least be realistic.

tommycash · 05-06-2008, 03:13 PM

I don't think discussing Griffey and Dunn are out of line since both are in a contract year and could help many teams (in the AL). You don't think that a team that needs a left handed power bat would be willing to trade some prospect for Dunn or Griffey if they were in the chase.

mlbfan30 · 05-06-2008, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommycash

I don't think discussing Griffey and Dunn are out of line since both are in a contract year and could help many teams (in the AL). You don't think that a team that needs a left handed power bat would be willing to trade some prospect for Dunn or Griffey if they were in the chase.

The point is... There's not point in creating unrealistic trade ideas.

Griffey for Clement isn't happening
Dunn for Kemp doesn't work
Arroyo for anything useful would never happen
etc.

How about Josh Fogg for Holliday? or more like a 24 y/o single A non-prospect

tommycash · 05-06-2008, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlbfan30

The point is... There's not point in creating unrealistic trade ideas.

Griffey for Clement isn't happening
Dunn for Kemp doesn't work
Arroyo for anything useful would never happen
etc.

How about Josh Fogg for Holliday? or more like a 24 y/o single A non-prospect

You're right. We can discuss reasonable trades. I am with you on that aspect.

Slyder · 05-06-2008, 04:06 PM

I guess I better keep my mouth shut about the Fogg and Dunn to Colorado for Helton and some spects

.

Natty Redlocks · 05-06-2008, 04:43 PM

Dunn and Griffey for Soriano.

Seriously, as a Cub fan, I'd do anything to get out of that horrible contract. And Fonz is Dusty's wet dream player.

Please don't bother enumerating all the reasons this could never happen. I actually think both managers would totally be all for it. Lou might even throw in Pie.

Rounding Third · 05-06-2008, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Natty Redlocks

Dunn and Griffey for Soriano.

Seriously, as a Cub fan, I'd do anything to get out of that horrible contract. And Fonz is Dusty's wet dream player.

Please don't bother enumerating all the reasons this could never happen. I actually think both managers would totally be all for it. Lou might even throw in Pie.

Did you know the Cubs are in the same division as the Reds?

dougflynn23 · 05-06-2008, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlbfan30

The point is... There's not point in creating unrealistic trade ideas.

Griffey for Clement isn't happening
Dunn for Kemp doesn't work
Arroyo for anything useful would never happen
etc.

How about Josh Fogg for Holliday? or more like a 24 y/o single A non-prospect

Junior for Jeff Clement isn't happening...but Junior and Matt Maloney and assuming all of Junior's remaining 2008 salary might just be workable.

Natty Redlocks · 05-06-2008, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rounding Third

Did you know the Cubs are in the same division as the Reds?

Whut's a duhvision?

05-05-2008, 07:15 PM	#1
Rounding Third Captain Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Northern Kentucky Posts: 384	Lets Be Realistic With Trades I think we are all, probably including myself, are overrating the value of our players. Ryan Freel A $3MM+ utility player that is reckless, injury prone and on the wrong side of 30. To be able to trade him we wouldn't get that much in return and we would probably have to eat all or most of the contract. Ken Griffey Jr Making way to much money and injury prone, this sounds familiar. If we trade him this year he is pretty much a rented bat for a couple of months. Griffey isn't who he used to be though. He isn't going to hit .300 or have a high OBP or hit 40 home runs. Very few suitors for him, all are in the American League. We wouldn't get much in return for him. Adam Dunn Probably has the most trade value of anybody right now. A more viable option that Griffey is. A progressive team can see the value in him with his high OBP and home run power. The only downsides are he has only a few teams he can be traded too and it is a contract year. Dunn is exactly the kind of player Walt Jocketty used to trade for. Contract year, undervalued and the team can't afford to keep him. Bronson Arroyo Terrible beginning of the year and being paid too much for what he is actually doing. A team may want to take a chance on him, but the Reds would probably not get much in return and would have to take the salary. Corey Patterson I wouldn't think anybody would really want to sign Patterson in the offseason. I wish I was correct. Good luck removing him from Dusty's grasp as well. Signed for way too much, seems to be a trend, and hasn't shown and never has shown why he is worth that much. Norris Hopper Never know who may want to pick up a speedy 4th-5th outfielder. Not there is a deficiency of them. However his ability to bunt and speed and being able to play at every outfield position is an asset. Not going to get anything breathtaking for him. Just to sum it all up: We have a lot of overpaid players that have little to no value. Which means we probably can't get much for these guys.

05-06-2008, 12:03 AM	#2
mroby85 Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,281	Re: Lets Be Realistic With Trades the most logical thing to do would be to stop proposing trades since we have absolutely no say in them happening

05-06-2008, 12:09 AM	#3
durl Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nashvull Posts: 1,743	Re: Lets Be Realistic With Trades I agree with the OP's thought. More than a few people advocate trading players like Griffey, Patterson, and Dunn as though it's a video game in which anything goes. The reality is that player's performance and contracts can add an incredibly high level of complexity to many trades. Trade ideas are interesting to discuss but we should at least be realistic.

05-06-2008, 03:13 PM	#4
tommycash Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 405	Re: Lets Be Realistic With Trades I don't think discussing Griffey and Dunn are out of line since both are in a contract year and could help many teams (in the AL). You don't think that a team that needs a left handed power bat would be willing to trade some prospect for Dunn or Griffey if they were in the chase.

05-06-2008, 04:06 PM	#7
Slyder Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,062	Re: Lets Be Realistic With Trades I guess I better keep my mouth shut about the Fogg and Dunn to Colorado for Helton and some spects .

05-06-2008, 04:43 PM	#8
Natty Redlocks Recovering Cubs Fan Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 710	Re: Lets Be Realistic With Trades Dunn and Griffey for Soriano. Seriously, as a Cub fan, I'd do anything to get out of that horrible contract. And Fonz is Dusty's wet dream player. Please don't bother enumerating all the reasons this could never happen. I actually think both managers would totally be all for it. Lou might even throw in Pie. __________________ FIRE DUSTY Never mind. The man is clearly a genius.

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