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Homer Bailey · 05-09-2008, 06:58 PM

Jerry Hairston Jr. 2B
Ryan Freel, RF
Corey Patterson, CF
Joey Votto, 1B
Edwin Encarnacion, 3B
Adam Dunn, LF
Jeff Keppinger, SS
Paul Bako, C
Matt Belisle, RHP

v. RH Mike Pelfrey

Patterson in the 3 hole.... Just when I think they can't get any worse.

That being said they'll probably put up 12 tonight.

mlbfan30 · 05-09-2008, 07:00 PM

If we switched 1-8 with 8-1 it would be a MUCH better lineup.

Paul Bako, C
Jeff Keppinger, SS
Adam Dunn, LF
Edwin Encarnacion, 3B
Joey Votto, 1B
Corey Patterson, CF
Ryan Freel, RF
Jerry Hairston Jr. 2B

mroby85 · 05-09-2008, 07:04 PM

I'm a big Dusty supporter, but this lineup is ridiculous. one of the dumbest things i've ever seen.

CRedsLarkin11 · 05-09-2008, 07:12 PM

Yeah, I heard Welsh say it a few minutes ago, Patterson shouldn't be batting 3rd for anyone but the Giants

gilpdawg · 05-09-2008, 07:12 PM

Better than in the leadoff spot, although it would be better to have him not in the lineup at all.

captainmorgan07 · 05-09-2008, 07:17 PM

That is a serious suprise. Patterson has been accustomed to hitting towards the middle of the order in his career so this might give him alil spark. No Jr. or Phillips Dusty had to do something. Votto has been hitting well in the 4 spot and dunn has been starting to pick it up 6th spot

He got it! · 05-09-2008, 07:19 PM

Any body have an estimated time for first pitch?

texasdave · 05-09-2008, 07:23 PM

Dusty Baker with his lineups is starting to remind to me of Marvin Lewis with his draft choices. I think both want to show everyone that they are just a little bit smarter than the rest of us by doing exactly what noone in their right mind would do. Either that or, just for fun, he drew names out of a hat for tonight.

GoReds33 · 05-09-2008, 07:31 PM

Why do you take Griffey out when you face a righty? That doesn't make sense. All of Griffey and Dunn's off days should be when there is a lefty on the mound.

CWRed · 05-09-2008, 07:41 PM

Griffey was a late scratch. But anyone that defends this lineup is as incompetent as Dusty Baker. This alone should get him fired. He'll probably say he's trying to get CP jump started. Um ok. So leave Dunn and Kepp at the bottom. Real smart. Dusty HAS to go. Can you imagine what the players were thinking when they saw the lineup? Hairston and CP should batting last.

And yes they will probably score 12 tonight. Honestly, who couldn't hit ok in the 3-hole. I think CP could even hit .220 there.

:thumbdown

757690 · 05-09-2008, 07:42 PM

What I don't understand is that all the stat guys from Bill James to Baseball Prospectus, constantly say that lineups don't matter that much, and yet it is mostly stat guys who complain about lineups.
Decisions on lineups are made for many reasons. I think it is a move in the right direction to have Patterson hitting anywhere but first.
Pelfrey get destroyed by lefties, so it's either Patterson or Dunn (or Bako) in the third slot. Personally I'd switch Patterson and Dunn, but just glad he is out of the leadoff spot.
Also Captainmorgan has a point. Maybe Dusty wants to see if Patterson could start swinging like a slugger again, since that is when he had his most success, both in his past and early this year.

And remember that Griffey and Phillips came out late, I think the first version of this lineup I saw had both of them in it. When guys drop out of the lineup at the last minute, strange lineups usually occur.

Doesn't look like they'll get a chance to play anyway.

mroby85 · 05-09-2008, 08:05 PM

hallelujah, its been ppd. maybe tomorrow will get us a better lineup, lol.

Orodle · 05-09-2008, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mlbfan30

If we switched 1-8 with 8-1 it would be a MUCH better lineup.

Paul Bako, C
Jeff Keppinger, SS
Adam Dunn, LF
Edwin Encarnacion, 3B
Joey Votto, 1B
Corey Patterson, CF
Ryan Freel, RF
Jerry Hairston Jr. 2B

True dat

Slyder · 05-10-2008, 10:24 AM

Get well immediately Griffey. Even with his faults and age Griffey>>>>>>>>Patterson.

bgwilly31 · 05-10-2008, 10:57 AM

This lineup with belisle on the mound, and in new york.

05-09-2008, 06:58 PM	#1
Homer Bailey I'm back... and forth Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,612	This lineup can't be serious Jerry Hairston Jr. 2B Ryan Freel, RF Corey Patterson, CF Joey Votto, 1B Edwin Encarnacion, 3B Adam Dunn, LF Jeff Keppinger, SS Paul Bako, C Matt Belisle, RHP v. RH Mike Pelfrey Patterson in the 3 hole.... Just when I think they can't get any worse. That being said they'll probably put up 12 tonight.

05-09-2008, 07:00 PM	#2
mlbfan30 Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 544	Re: This lineup can't be serious If we switched 1-8 with 8-1 it would be a MUCH better lineup. Paul Bako, C Jeff Keppinger, SS Adam Dunn, LF Edwin Encarnacion, 3B Joey Votto, 1B Corey Patterson, CF Ryan Freel, RF Jerry Hairston Jr. 2B

05-09-2008, 07:04 PM	#3
mroby85 Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,281	Re: This lineup can't be serious I'm a big Dusty supporter, but this lineup is ridiculous. one of the dumbest things i've ever seen.

05-09-2008, 07:12 PM	#4
CRedsLarkin11 Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 272	Re: This lineup can't be serious Yeah, I heard Welsh say it a few minutes ago, Patterson shouldn't be batting 3rd for anyone but the Giants

05-09-2008, 07:12 PM	#5
gilpdawg Section 525-Saturdays. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New Paris, OH Posts: 1,982	Re: This lineup can't be serious Better than in the leadoff spot, although it would be better to have him not in the lineup at all.

05-09-2008, 07:17 PM	#6
captainmorgan07 got alil captain in u? Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bridgeport Ohio Posts: 4,839	Re: This lineup can't be serious That is a serious suprise. Patterson has been accustomed to hitting towards the middle of the order in his career so this might give him alil spark. No Jr. or Phillips Dusty had to do something. Votto has been hitting well in the 4 spot and dunn has been starting to pick it up 6th spot

05-09-2008, 07:19 PM	#7
He got it! Hatteberg is Sean Casey Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bowling Green, OH Posts: 186	Re: This lineup can't be serious Any body have an estimated time for first pitch? __________________ "YES! He rips it. Is it high enough? It's gonna be gone! Adam Dunn has done it again. Big #44 can take all day to round the bases here, thats done and gone- lookout dunner they're waitin for ya at home plate." - George Grand "Did that just happen?" - Chris Welsch

05-09-2008, 07:23 PM	#8
texasdave Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 9,576	Re: This lineup can't be serious Dusty Baker with his lineups is starting to remind to me of Marvin Lewis with his draft choices. I think both want to show everyone that they are just a little bit smarter than the rest of us by doing exactly what noone in their right mind would do. Either that or, just for fun, he drew names out of a hat for tonight.

05-09-2008, 07:31 PM	#9
GoReds33 The Future Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 2,462	Re: This lineup can't be serious Why do you take Griffey out when you face a righty? That doesn't make sense. All of Griffey and Dunn's off days should be when there is a lefty on the mound.

05-09-2008, 07:41 PM	#10
CWRed Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 296	Re: This lineup can't be serious Griffey was a late scratch. But anyone that defends this lineup is as incompetent as Dusty Baker. This alone should get him fired. He'll probably say he's trying to get CP jump started. Um ok. So leave Dunn and Kepp at the bottom. Real smart. Dusty HAS to go. Can you imagine what the players were thinking when they saw the lineup? Hairston and CP should batting last. And yes they will probably score 12 tonight. Honestly, who couldn't hit ok in the 3-hole. I think CP could even hit .220 there. :thumbdown

05-09-2008, 07:42 PM	#11
757690 Hoping to be 75769013 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Dayton Posts: 6,175	Re: This lineup can't be serious What I don't understand is that all the stat guys from Bill James to Baseball Prospectus, constantly say that lineups don't matter that much, and yet it is mostly stat guys who complain about lineups. Decisions on lineups are made for many reasons. I think it is a move in the right direction to have Patterson hitting anywhere but first. Pelfrey get destroyed by lefties, so it's either Patterson or Dunn (or Bako) in the third slot. Personally I'd switch Patterson and Dunn, but just glad he is out of the leadoff spot. Also Captainmorgan has a point. Maybe Dusty wants to see if Patterson could start swinging like a slugger again, since that is when he had his most success, both in his past and early this year. And remember that Griffey and Phillips came out late, I think the first version of this lineup I saw had both of them in it. When guys drop out of the lineup at the last minute, strange lineups usually occur. Doesn't look like they'll get a chance to play anyway.

05-09-2008, 08:05 PM	#12
mroby85 Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,281	Re: This lineup can't be serious hallelujah, its been ppd. maybe tomorrow will get us a better lineup, lol.

05-10-2008, 10:24 AM	#14
Slyder Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,062	Re: This lineup can't be serious Get well immediately Griffey. Even with his faults and age Griffey>>>>>>>>Patterson.

05-10-2008, 10:57 AM	#15
bgwilly31 Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Hamilton Posts: 1,147	Re: This lineup can't be serious This lineup with belisle on the mound, and in new york.

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