2008 MLB Draft Cincinnati Reds Selections

[Caveat Emperor]

Originally Posted by Blue

... I don't get this. If he fields like David Ortiz, but hits like David Ortiz... he's the same as David Ortiz, and Ortiz has plenty of value, though it would be significantly diminished in the National League. There are 14 teams in the other league who Alonso could do a fine job for if this occurs.

If he hits like David Ortiz and fields like David Ortiz then the Reds better hope they can get a David Ortiz return for him in a trade over to the AL -- call me crazy, but I'm never excited when maximizing a player's potential value involves the Reds doing more scouting to try and pry talent away from other teams they could've just drafted themselves in the first place.

If he doesn't hit like David Ortiz and fields like David Ortiz, they're in real trouble.

Worth noting -- David Ortiz was a full time DH by age 24.

[Cedric]

Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor

And, of course, the huge worry that has to be present is that -- as he fills out -- he plays defense like David Ortiz.

At that point, it won't matter who he hits like.

Alonso isn't really a big guy. I'd be really shocked if he got so big he couldn't play 1b decent enough. Hell, do you remember Sean Casey? If the Mayor can play in the field than anyone can, IMO.

[Cedric]

Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor

If he hits like David Ortiz and fields like David Ortiz then the Reds better hope they can get a David Ortiz return for him in a trade -- call me crazy, but I'm never excited when maximizing a player's potential value involves the Reds doing more scouting to try and pry talent away from other teams they could've just drafted themselves in the first place.

If he doesn't hit like David Ortiz and fields like David Ortiz, they're in real trouble.

I love teams that draft sticks like Alonso and trade for MI talent. Let the other teams do the long, hard work with the tough projections. Deal for them later.

[edabbs44]

This is why I'm not a subscriber to the BPA theory. It makes sense for some of the time, but sometimes you also have to look at the bigger picture.

If Alonso turns out to be a solid 1st baseman, he replaces one that is already in house. Unless Dunn is definitely gone and they are 100% sure of Votto moving to the OF because they don't believe in his game at first, then I'm not in agreement here.

It would make more sense to me if it was Hosmer. Huge potential, but years away. You should expect a top 10 college bat to be knocking on the Reds' door in the short term.

I would have rather had Crow or Beckham or even Smoak, since he is a switch hitter and gets rave reviews with the mitt.

Best case scenario for the future: a 3-4-5 of L-L-L? Maybe the team just doesn't want a righty bat.

[Caveat Emperor]

Originally Posted by Cedric

I love teams that draft sticks like Alonso and trade for MI talent. Let the other teams do the long, hard work with the tough projections. Deal for them later.

You'll have to excuse me, I'm still getting used to this notion that the Reds are winning trades.

[Mario-Rijo]

Originally Posted by edabbs44

This is why I'm not a subscriber to the BPA theory. It makes sense for some of the time, but sometimes you also have to look at the bigger picture.

If Alonso turns out to be a solid 1st baseman, he replaces one that is already in house. Unless Dunn is definitely gone and they are 100% sure of Votto moving to the OF because they don't believe in his game at first, then I'm not in agreement here.

It would make more sense to me if it was Hosmer. Huge potential, but years away. You should expect a top 10 college bat to be knocking on the Reds' door in the short term.

I would have rather had Crow or Beckham or even Smoak, since he is a switch hitter and gets rave reviews with the mitt.

Best case scenario for the future: a 3-4-5 of L-L-L? Maybe the team just doesn't want a righty bat.

Yeah and we have to deal one of our RH hitters (EE or Frazier) or Votto. Not ideal for sure.

[edabbs44]

Uh oh Alonso...RedsZone is gonna eat you alive.

Alonso's self scouting report reflects some of the same: "I hit for power. My game right now relies on driving guys in, playing good defense, not striking out. I'm a competitor. I want to win. I don't care if I go 0-for-5 if that sixth at-bat is clutch."

[11larkin11]

Originally Posted by edabbs44

This is why I'm not a subscriber to the BPA theory. It makes sense for some of the time, but sometimes you also have to look at the bigger picture.

If Alonso turns out to be a solid 1st baseman, he replaces one that is already in house. Unless Dunn is definitely gone and they are 100% sure of Votto moving to the OF because they don't believe in his game at first, then I'm not in agreement here.

It would make more sense to me if it was Hosmer. Huge potential, but years away. You should expect a top 10 college bat to be knocking on the Reds' door in the short term.

I would have rather had Crow or Beckham or even Smoak, since he is a switch hitter and gets rave reviews with the mitt.

Best case scenario for the future: a 3-4-5 of L-L-L? Maybe the team just doesn't want a righty bat.

Frazier and Mez say hi.

[Mario-Rijo]

Originally Posted by 11larkin11

Frazier and Mez say hi.

Where does Frazier play?

[edabbs44]

Originally Posted by 11larkin11

Frazier and Mez say hi.

Do you expect Frazier and "Mez" to hit btw 3-4-5 in a scenario where Alonso works out as expected? I think that their ceilings won't deserve a middle of the order spot when you have Bruce/Alonso/Votto.

[Cedric]

Originally Posted by edabbs44

Do you expect Frazier and "Mez" to hit btw 3-4-5 in a scenario where Alonso works out as expected? I think that their ceilings won't deserve a middle of the order spot when you have Bruce/Alonso/Votto.

I think Frazier is a solid #2 or #5 as a ceiling. He's got pole to pole power and a great hitting approach. I think he's got a chance to hit in the middle of a Reds lineup. I definitely think his offensive ceiling is higher than Edwin or Phillips.

[Mario-Rijo]

Originally Posted by Cedric

I think Frazier is a solid #2 or #5 as a ceiling. He's got pole to pole power and a great hitting approach. I think he's got a chance to hit in the middle of a Reds lineup. I definitely think his offensive ceiling is higher than Edwin or Phillips.

So then you would advocate dealing EE to make room for him? Otherwise he has no where to play with Alonso at 1st and Votto in left.

[11larkin11]

Originally Posted by edabbs44

Do you expect Frazier and "Mez" to hit btw 3-4-5 in a scenario where Alonso works out as expected? I think that their ceilings won't deserve a middle of the order spot when you have Bruce/Alonso/Votto.

I have no problem going L-L-L, but I was just pointing out that there are a couple RH bats in the system to look forward to, plus EE and Phillips. My future lineup, FWIW...

Keppinger SS
Votto LF
Bruce RF
Phillips 2B
Alonso 1B
Frazier 3B
Mesoraco C
Stubbs CF

Edit: Actually, now that I think about it, I wouldn't mind batting the pitcher 8th with Stubbs' walking ability for the top of the lineup. Frazier and Mez are more RBI guys than on base guys, IMO.

[Edd Roush]

The more I think about the Yonder pick, the more I like it. Watch this video and tell me that you still think he has a David Ortiz body type
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKLrzcRz_Qo

[RedlegJake]

Originally Posted by Mario-Rijo

So then you would advocate dealing EE to make room for him? Otherwise he has no where to play with Alonso at 1st and Votto in left.

Absolutely in a heartbeat. And I'd deal BP to get Valaika on 2nd when the time comes too.