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Old 06-08-2008, 03:36 PM   #196
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Re: Reds @ Fish 6/8/08
And CPat breaks up the perfect game with 2 outs in the 8th with a HR!
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Old 06-08-2008, 03:37 PM   #197
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And CPat breaks up the perfect game with a HR!
Guess who is leading off tomorrow night.
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Old 06-08-2008, 03:39 PM   #198
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If his HR/9 were better than average? #1 starter. That's perfectly rational. You were looking for a bone to pick, but it turns out there was no bone and I was making a perfectly rational point.

His FB velocity has been fluctuating this season--maybe I should have said that.
No. My point was that you're the one looking for a bone to pick and the one you chose was really a silly one IMHO. Is Harang a #1 starter? It depends upon who is defining the term I guess. Frankly, I couldn't care less. But I do argue this-Harang doesn't have "problems" because he doesn't fit someone's arbitrary definition of a #1 arm and Johan Santana might be surprised to find out that he's not a number one because he has a similar HR/9 as Harang. In other words, "Harang's problems" are completely contrived by such a definition.
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Old 06-08-2008, 03:39 PM   #199
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Crap. Patterson homer.
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Old 06-08-2008, 03:41 PM   #200
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Crap. Patterson homer.
He'll start tomorrow. No doubt.
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dusty will have patterson back leading off in center before you know it with bruce going 0-3 and everything.
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Old 06-08-2008, 03:45 PM   #202
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If his HR/9 were better than average? #1 starter. That's perfectly rational. You were looking for a bone to pick, but it turns out there was no bone and I was making a perfectly rational point.

His FB velocity has been fluctuating this season--maybe I should have said that.
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No. My point was that you're the one looking for a bone to pick and the one you chose was really a silly one IMHO. Is Harang a #1 starter? It depends upon who is defining the term I guess. Frankly, I couldn't care less. But I do argue this-Harang doesn't have "problems" because he doesn't fit someone's arbitrary definition of a #1 arm and Johan Santana might be surprised to find out that he's not a number one because he has a similar HR/9 as Harang. In other words, "Harang's problems" are completely contrived by such a definition.
"Bone picking" issues need to go private.
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Old 06-08-2008, 03:51 PM   #203
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Unfortunately.....he was probably going to play for either one of the 3 in the OF.

Maybe Hairston will go there......but he could use a day off also....I don't want him grinding down...faster than what people already expect him to do.
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Old 06-08-2008, 03:57 PM   #204
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and this one belongs to the....wrong team.
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Old 06-08-2008, 04:07 PM   #205
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Volquez and Cueto looked like they have developed pretty good with Pole.

Try to give more of the blame/credit to the actual person who is throwing the ball.

Larry Shepard was a pretty good pitching coach until 1977.
I think they would both tell you Mario Soto was a big key for them.

I agree they guys with ball need to get it done....but a coach and manager need to get them in positions in which they will be most successful. Throwing Harang back out there for about 12 batters too many today is 100% on Dusty and Dick.
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Old 06-08-2008, 05:05 PM   #206
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I agree that Harang should not have been back out there...have no idea what the point of that was ..but it was not a good decision.

I like that Soto can help....and maybe if he wanted to...he could be the piching coach but it does not look like permanent coaching is his bag.
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I agree that Harang should not have been back out there...have no idea what the point of that was ..but it was not a good decision.

I like that Soto can help....and maybe if he wanted to...he could be the piching coach but it does not look like permanent coaching is his bag.
If they can keep MS semi-regularly to work with these guys it seems like it will pay very good long term dividends.
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Old 06-08-2008, 06:16 PM   #208
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No. My point was that you're the one looking for a bone to pick and the one you chose was really a silly one IMHO. Is Harang a #1 starter? It depends upon who is defining the term I guess. Frankly, I couldn't care less. But I do argue this-Harang doesn't have "problems" because he doesn't fit someone's arbitrary definition of a #1 arm and Johan Santana might be surprised to find out that he's not a number one because he has a similar HR/9 as Harang. In other words, "Harang's problems" are completely contrived by such a definition.
I think it's fair to say that it's bankrupt comparing Harang to Santana (or Volquez on his own team).

The point I was trying to make is that Harang has these month-long dips that he tends to work through. It's happened every season since he's been here. To chalk it up to the relief stint is silly and is the *really* underfunded conjecture in all this.
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Old 06-08-2008, 06:25 PM   #209
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When have the Reds had a good pitching coach?
When the Reds had very good pitching despite the pitching coach, then he looked like a good pitching coach, whoever he was.

When did the Reds have very good advanced scouting ?

When did the Reds have someone that was very good at calling the pitches, and the results supported it?
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Old 06-08-2008, 06:54 PM   #210
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Re: Reds @ Fish 6/8/08
For the record, the two Reds rejects killed us this series:

Code:
          ab r h bi  avg
C. Ross   10  1  5  4  .300
Cantu     14  4  8  9  .571
TOTAL    24  5  13 13 .541
That's just a sin.
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