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07-04-2008, 04:36 PM
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Making sense of it all
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RBIs - Hamilton, Griffey, Dunn
Josh Hamilton: 82 RBIs in 334 at-bats
Griffey and Dunn: 85 RBIs in 547 at-bats (not sure if today is included)
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07-04-2008, 04:42 PM
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Re: RBIs - Hamilton, Griffey, Dunn
Hamilton - Actual Runners on Base: 252
Dunn - Actual Runners on Base: 191 Jr - Actual Runners on Base: 195 Just to add to the argument to commence.
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07-04-2008, 04:54 PM
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Damn That Dunn
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Re: RBIs - Hamilton, Griffey, Dunn
Obviously Hamilton is the more valuable and productive player, I don't think that will be doubted. And as Mario pointed out, if you want to look at a team dependent statistic, such as RBI's, you need to evaluate the situation for all players involved. If Dunn was presented with the same opportunity as Hamilton has had, assuming his RBI production would remain constant, he would have roughly 65 RBI's (making him for the top 10 in baseball).... not too shabby.
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07-04-2008, 04:56 PM
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What Me Worry?
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Re: RBIs - Hamilton, Griffey, Dunn
Hamilton young...... Griffey old
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07-04-2008, 04:58 PM
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Re: RBIs - Hamilton, Griffey, Dunn
Hamilton hits third, Dunn 5th. Hamilton has HUGE protection in Bradley, Dunn has? Jr's skills have been declining, we all know that. Would Hamilton make one lick of difference in the Reds lineup right now?
nope, because EV would be 10-3 for the Rangers.
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07-04-2008, 05:27 PM
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Re: RBIs - Hamilton, Griffey, Dunn
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Dunn large sample RBI 621 Hamilton career high, small sample RBI 129 Last edited by Spring~Fields; 07-04-2008 at 05:37 PM. |
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07-04-2008, 05:37 PM
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Stat Wanker Hodiernus
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Re: RBIs - Hamilton, Griffey, Dunn
This just in: Dunn is not a great "RBI guy". He is a very good runs guy who often bats ahead of other poor "RBI guys".
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07-04-2008, 05:57 PM
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Lime in da Coconut
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Re: RBIs - Hamilton, Griffey, Dunn
A lot of the problem with RBI stats is there has to be runners on to get on (unless you hit a HR). The Reds don't get enough hits to put a lot of runners on. I imagine Hamilton would have far less RBI's if he played on today's Reds. When you're getting 5-7 hits a game, that doesn't leave many runners to drive in.
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07-04-2008, 05:58 PM
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Raaaaaaaandy
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Re: RBIs - Hamilton, Griffey, Dunn
This was on McAlister's blog. Just another "Josh Hamilton is the greatest player/human being on the planet" post from Lance. He loves him some Hamilton.
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07-04-2008, 06:04 PM
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Re: RBIs - Hamilton, Griffey, Dunn
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07-04-2008, 06:07 PM
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Re: RBIs - Hamilton, Griffey, Dunn
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But certain people make it a point to mention Hamilton in relation to Dunn, which I find absurd. I also tire of the constant "story". At some point he has to become just a great baseball player...not a great story who plays baseball. I look forward to that point...hopefully not too long after the all-star break.
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07-04-2008, 08:02 PM
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Re: RBIs - Hamilton, Griffey, Dunn
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Player Contact% BABIP HR rate BB rate K rate BB/K FB% GB% LD% Josh Hamilton .820 .333 17.2 11.3 5.5 0.49 322 .460 .217 Ken Griffey Jr. .821 .256 27.4 6.0 5.6 0.94 429 .389 .181 Adam Dunn .652 .248 12.7 3.8 2.9 0.75 482 .357 .161 Code:
RK PLAYER RC RC27 ISOP SECA GB FB G/F BB/PA BB/K 20Josh Hamilton 67.2 7.43 .246 .353 130 91 1.43 .085 0.54 147Ken Griffey Jr. 42.2 4.95 .166 .329 93 101 0.92 .141 0.94 162Adam Dunn 55.7 7.09 .284 .542 61 84 0.73 .201 0.76 Code:
RK PLAYER GP TPA #PIT P/PA TB XBH HBP IBB GDP SH SF 20 Josh Hamilton 84 378 1400 3.70 185 41 2 2 5 0 8 147 Ken Griffey Jr.82 341 1348 3.95 117 26 1 12 6 0 3 162 Adam Dunn 83 339 1468 4.33 135 33 4 4 4 0 3 |
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07-04-2008, 08:09 PM
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Re: RBIs - Hamilton, Griffey, Dunn
....And Edinson Volquez is wayyyy better than any pitcher on the Rangers staff.
I'll take the pitcher, and Dunn, please.
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07-04-2008, 08:18 PM
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Re: RBIs - Hamilton, Griffey, Dunn
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They can have Griffey and Dunn also, give me two more Volquez's or Billingsley's or Masterson's and combination. I have seen what those three guys can do against good pitching, nothing. 
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07-04-2008, 10:00 PM
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Re: RBIs - Hamilton, Griffey, Dunn
People keep forgetting, if Hamilton was here, he'd be playing CF. Thereby requiring him to bat leadoff or 2nd in Dusty's lineup. He wouldn't have 30 RBI's.
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