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RedsManRick · 07-07-2008, 11:23 AM

Of the 8 SP named to the NL All-Star team, who do you think will be named the starter?

If you'd like, post who you would name the starter if you were the manager.

OnBaseMachine · 07-07-2008, 11:25 AM

Brandon Webb will start.

Volquez or Lincecum should start

Degenerate39 · 07-07-2008, 11:26 AM

Brandon Webb will probably be the starter.

I'd name Volquez the starter if I was manager but my opinion is a little biased.

RedsManRick · 07-07-2008, 11:29 AM

I think Webb will start. I think Volquez is the most deserving based just on this year's stats. However, I'd have Webb start, as I think the AS Game is about an established level of performance.

Reds/Flyers Fan · 07-07-2008, 11:34 AM

EV could probably use some rest. I'd be fine with him sitting in the dugout and watching the game unfold, never being used.

RedsManRick · 07-07-2008, 11:41 AM

Here are some basic stats. Aaron Cook and Carlos Zambrano stole spots from Johan Santana and Cole Hamels.

Code:

			GS	IP	ERA	WHIP	 SO	 W-L
Aaron Cook, COL  	19	132.2	3.66	1.29	 64	11-6
Ryan Dempster, CHC 	18	111.0	3.24	1.18	 93	 9-3
Dan Haren, ARI 		18	117.2	2.83	0.98	103	 8-5
Tim Lincecum, SF 	18	115.2	2.49	1.24	122	10-1
Ben Sheets, MIL 	17	117.0	2.77	1.11	 97	10-2
Edinson Voqlez, CIN 	18	110.2	2.36	1.25	116	11-3
Brandon Webb, ARI 	18	118.0	3.43	1.16	100	12-4
Carlos Zambrano, CHC 	17	112.1	2.96	1.31	 73	 9-3

Homer Bailey · 07-07-2008, 02:27 PM

I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere that Webb has been named the starter. May have been the same outlet where I saw Junior was starting, so it could be wrong. Not sure where I saw it though.

blumj · 07-07-2008, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homer Bailey

I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere that Webb has been named the starter. May have been the same outlet where I saw Junior was starting, so it could be wrong. Not sure where I saw it though.

Yeah, that was the NY Post article that seemed to not know what they were talking about.

rotnoid · 07-07-2008, 02:48 PM

I was a little surprised to see Lohse not make the team. At 10-2 and 3.61 he seems a pretty good fit to me. If asked, I'd take him over Zambrano who's been hurt, but that might just be me.

As for starter, I think it will be Webb. If I'm the manager, I use Webb any way. He's the proven guy. The All Star game is about stars and why not have the best you've got (over a few years) get the nod in the first inning.

OnBaseMachine · 07-07-2008, 03:15 PM

The Giants have shuffled their rotation to where Lincecum will start the Sunday game before the All-Star game so that pretty much eliminates him from starting the game.

RedsManRick · 07-07-2008, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rotnoid

I was a little surprised to see Lohse not make the team. At 10-2 and 3.61 he seems a pretty good fit to me. If asked, I'd take him over Zambrano who's been hurt, but that might just be me.

I'd love to show a group of people a set of stats with W-L and another group the same set without it. It's pretty hard to make a case that Lohse has been a better pitcher than Johan Santana, Jair Jurrjens, Chad Billingsley, Tim Hudson, or Cole Hamels, but they don't have his W-L record.

Code:

		IP	ERA	WHIP	SO	BB	H	 W-L
Lohse		112.1	3.61	1.26	56	28	114	10-2
Pitcher X	100.0	3.60	1.31	59	32	99	 4-9

If Lohse is an all-star, then John Lannan has a case too..... W-L... uggh. Worst stat in baseball.

OnBaseMachine · 07-07-2008, 03:32 PM

Pat Burrell and Johan Santana were snubbed. Ryan Ludwick shouldn't have made it IMO. He had two strong months and then fell back to earth in June.

Highlifeman21 · 07-07-2008, 09:52 PM

All I know is that I don't want EV to throw 1 pitch in the ASG.

While it would be great to showcase his electric arm to all of baseball, the last thing I want is our compliment to Harang to pull up lame.

red-in-la · 07-07-2008, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Highlifeman21

All I know is that I don't want EV to throw 1 pitch in the ASG.

While it would be great to showcase his electric arm to all of baseball, the last thing I want is our compliment to Harang to pull up lame.

I have only seen a few innings of his last couple of starts, but his arm didn't look all that electric.....I know my sample size is small, but I just wonder if he does pitch, will fans say, "how did this guy win 11 games for the crummy Reds?"

OnBaseMachine · 07-08-2008, 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by red-in-la

I have only seen a few innings of his last couple of starts, but his arm didn't look all that electric.....I know my sample size is small, but I just wonder if he does pitch, will fans say, "how did this guy win 11 games for the crummy Reds?"

Well if you watched his first 15 starts you will know his arm is electric.

View Poll Results: Who do you think will start the All-Star game for the NL?
Aaron Cook, COL	0	0%
Ryan Dempster, CHC	0	0%
Dan Haren, ARI	0	0%
Tim Lincecum, SF	8	15.38%
Ben Sheets, MIL	0	0%
Edinson Voqlez, CIN	5	9.62%
Brandon Webb, ARI	39	75.00%
Carlos Zambrano, CHC	0	0%
Voters: 52. You may not vote on this poll

07-07-2008, 11:23 AM	#1
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,915	Who will start the All-Star game for the NL? Of the 8 SP named to the NL All-Star team, who do you think will be named the starter? If you'd like, post who you would name the starter if you were the manager. __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance. Last edited by RedsManRick; 07-07-2008 at 02:45 PM.

07-07-2008, 11:25 AM	#2
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,655	Re: Who will start the All-Star game for the NL? Brandon Webb will start. Volquez or Lincecum should start __________________ I miss Adam Dunn.

07-07-2008, 11:26 AM	#3
Degenerate39 Senor Votto Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 7,847	Re: Who will start the All-Star game for the NL? Brandon Webb will probably be the starter. I'd name Volquez the starter if I was manager but my opinion is a little biased. __________________ Most Vottomatic Player

07-07-2008, 11:29 AM	#4
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,915	Re: Who will start the All-Star game for the NL? I think Webb will start. I think Volquez is the most deserving based just on this year's stats. However, I'd have Webb start, as I think the AS Game is about an established level of performance. __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

07-07-2008, 11:34 AM	#5
Reds/Flyers Fan Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Cincinnati USA Posts: 3,319	Re: Who will start the All-Star game for the NL? EV could probably use some rest. I'd be fine with him sitting in the dugout and watching the game unfold, never being used.

07-07-2008, 11:41 AM	#6
RedsManRick Stat Wanker Hodiernus Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 14,915	Re: Who will start the All-Star game for the NL? Here are some basic stats. Aaron Cook and Carlos Zambrano stole spots from Johan Santana and Cole Hamels. Code: GS IP ERA WHIP SO W-L Aaron Cook, COL 19 132.2 3.66 1.29 64 11-6 Ryan Dempster, CHC 18 111.0 3.24 1.18 93 9-3 Dan Haren, ARI 18 117.2 2.83 0.98 103 8-5 Tim Lincecum, SF 18 115.2 2.49 1.24 122 10-1 Ben Sheets, MIL 17 117.0 2.77 1.11 97 10-2 Edinson Voqlez, CIN 18 110.2 2.36 1.25 116 11-3 Brandon Webb, ARI 18 118.0 3.43 1.16 100 12-4 Carlos Zambrano, CHC 17 112.1 2.96 1.31 73 9-3 __________________ Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

07-07-2008, 02:27 PM	#7
Homer Bailey I'm back... and forth Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,604	Re: Who will start the All-Star game for the NL? I'm pretty sure I saw somewhere that Webb has been named the starter. May have been the same outlet where I saw Junior was starting, so it could be wrong. Not sure where I saw it though.

07-07-2008, 02:48 PM	#9
rotnoid So long old friend Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cincinnati,Ohio Posts: 1,264	Re: Who will start the All-Star game for the NL? I was a little surprised to see Lohse not make the team. At 10-2 and 3.61 he seems a pretty good fit to me. If asked, I'd take him over Zambrano who's been hurt, but that might just be me. As for starter, I think it will be Webb. If I'm the manager, I use Webb any way. He's the proven guy. The All Star game is about stars and why not have the best you've got (over a few years) get the nod in the first inning. __________________ I'm just like everybody else. I have two arms, two legs and 4,000 hits." -Pete Rose

07-07-2008, 03:15 PM	#10
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,655	Re: Who will start the All-Star game for the NL? The Giants have shuffled their rotation to where Lincecum will start the Sunday game before the All-Star game so that pretty much eliminates him from starting the game. __________________ I miss Adam Dunn.

07-07-2008, 03:32 PM	#12
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,655	Re: Who will start the All-Star game for the NL? Pat Burrell and Johan Santana were snubbed. Ryan Ludwick shouldn't have made it IMO. He had two strong months and then fell back to earth in June. __________________ I miss Adam Dunn.

07-07-2008, 09:52 PM	#13
Highlifeman21 Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bristol, just around the corner from ESPN Posts: 8,694	Re: Who will start the All-Star game for the NL? All I know is that I don't want EV to throw 1 pitch in the ASG. While it would be great to showcase his electric arm to all of baseball, the last thing I want is our compliment to Harang to pull up lame.

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