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RedsMan3203 · 08-13-2008, 11:45 AM

I logged into my old photobucket account the other day and saw this... I just said Wow... Times sure do change in 6 years...

Sea Ray · 08-13-2008, 12:30 PM

They've both put on way too many lbs since then. I expect some weight to appear in a player's late 20s/early 30s but these guys put on 25-30 lbs before they were 25.

Kearns has really been a disappointment. I recall when they were coming up and we were enjoying Dunn, Adam said "just wait 'till Kearns gets here. He's better than me." I think he was. I don't know if it was that collision with Ray King or just a case of a guy peaking at age 24 but Kearns was supposed to be a perennial All Star.

BuckeyeRedleg · 08-13-2008, 12:35 PM

I really don't understand what anyone is talking about regarding Dunn being overweight. I don't see it.

I keep reading it and hearing it on call-in shows from his detractors, but I don't see it.

westofyou · 08-13-2008, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BuckeyeRedleg

I really don't understand what anyone is talking about regarding Dunn being overweight. I don't see it.

I keep reading it and hearing it on call-in shows from his detractors, but I don't see it.

Gosh we all should look the same as we did at 21.... did you miss the memo?

traderumor · 08-13-2008, 12:43 PM

They both had BRM haircuts. That is what went wrong, they let their hair grow.

Raisor · 08-13-2008, 12:46 PM

2006

2008

He's slimmer now.

redsfan30 · 08-13-2008, 01:16 PM

Austin Kearns is reason enough not to annoit Jay Bruce the savior of the franchise just yet.

Let Bruce develop into it....don't appoint him it.

sonny · 08-13-2008, 01:19 PM

OT- i do like those helmets as opposed to the cool-flo ones they wear now. But again, I'm a geek.

MartyFan · 08-13-2008, 01:19 PM

I submit further evidence...Remember Brandon Larson?

Tom Servo · 08-13-2008, 01:27 PM

We do have two openings in the outfield after this season...

Let's bring 'em back!

bucksfan2 · 08-13-2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by redsfan30

Austin Kearns is reason enough not to annoit Jay Bruce the savior of the franchise just yet.

Let Bruce develop into it....don't appoint him it.

Kearns was a highly thought of prospect that's value to Cincy was inflated because of his local ties. He burst onto the scene but never made the proper adjsutments or his shoulder never regained the form after Ray King.

Dunn on the other hand looked like a HOF in his early career but after the 2002 AS break he never seemed to get back to that early level. Dunn's first half of 02 was unreal; .300 BA, .452 OBP, .544 Slugging. It seemed like the league made some adjustments that Dunn has failed to make.

MWM · 08-13-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bucksfan2

Dunn on the other hand looked like a HOF in his early career but after the 2002 AS break he never seemed to get back to that early level. Dunn's first half of 02 was unreal; .300 BA, .452 OBP, .544 Slugging. It seemed like the league made some adjustments that Dunn has failed to make.

My theory, and with some anecdotal evidence to support, is that coaches kept trying to "fix" Adam to get him to stop striking out so much. Every new hitting coach or manager that came in (and there were a lot of them) thought they could "fix" him. Dumbest decision ever.

redsfan30 · 08-13-2008, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MWM

My theory, and with some anecdotal evidence to support, is that coaches kept trying to "fix" Adam to get him to stop striking out so much. Every new hitting coach or manager that came in (and there were a lot of them) thought they could "fix" him. Dumbest decision ever.

True enough. There were too many cooks in Adam's kitchen so to say over the past seven years.

OnBaseMachine · 08-13-2008, 01:46 PM

I remember there being an article back in 2002 talking about Jim Bowden wanting Dunn to start pulling the ball more in order to hit for more power. I thought it was foolish at the time because Dunn was still hitting for power and was hitting up in the .310-.320 range with an OBP in the .460 area and an OPS over 1.000, yet Bowden wanted him to pull the ball more. That doesn't surprise me though considering how awful of a GM Bowden is/was. Dunn was never that same hitter after that. All those different hitting coaches didn't help matters either.

bucksfan2 · 08-13-2008, 01:56 PM

IIRC there was an article when both were still in the minors predicting future status of the top minor league players. Dunn was predicted as a future HOF and Kearns as a potental All Star and an everyday player in the bigs. It is interesting to look now 8 years later and see where each player stands.

Kearns is a fringe everyday outfielder. If he weren't playing for Jimbo he would have bounced around the league for the past year +.

Dunn on the other hand, if healthy, will put up HOF HR numbers. It will be interesting to see if Dunn hits 500, 550, 600 how people will fell about him.

08-13-2008, 11:45 AM	#1
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08-13-2008, 12:30 PM	#2
Sea Ray Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 15,255	Re: Looking back to what it could of been... They've both put on way too many lbs since then. I expect some weight to appear in a player's late 20s/early 30s but these guys put on 25-30 lbs before they were 25. Kearns has really been a disappointment. I recall when they were coming up and we were enjoying Dunn, Adam said "just wait 'till Kearns gets here. He's better than me." I think he was. I don't know if it was that collision with Ray King or just a case of a guy peaking at age 24 but Kearns was supposed to be a perennial All Star.

08-13-2008, 12:35 PM	#3
BuckeyeRedleg Will post for food Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Dublin, OH Posts: 5,099	Re: Looking back to what it could of been... I really don't understand what anyone is talking about regarding Dunn being overweight. I don't see it. I keep reading it and hearing it on call-in shows from his detractors, but I don't see it.

08-13-2008, 12:43 PM	#5
traderumor Unsolicited Opinions Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Right Down Broadway Posts: 17,667	Re: Looking back to what it could of been... They both had BRM haircuts. That is what went wrong, they let their hair grow.

08-13-2008, 12:46 PM	#6
Raisor Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 12,686	Re: Looking back to what it could of been... 2006 2008 He's slimmer now. __________________ "But I do know Joey's sister indirectly (or foster sister) and I have heard stories of Joey being into shopping, designer wear, fancy coffees, and pedicures."

08-13-2008, 01:16 PM	#7
redsfan30 Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,545	Re: Looking back to what it could of been... Austin Kearns is reason enough not to annoit Jay Bruce the savior of the franchise just yet. Let Bruce develop into it....don't appoint him it. __________________ "Strickland Propane... Taste the meat, not the heat." - Hank Hill

08-13-2008, 01:19 PM	#8
sonny You're being very UnDude. Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 1,575	Re: Looking back to what it could of been... OT- i do like those helmets as opposed to the cool-flo ones they wear now. But again, I'm a geek. __________________ Witty signature.

08-13-2008, 01:19 PM	#9
MartyFan You're soaking in it! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 3,335	Re: Looking back to what it could of been... I submit further evidence...Remember Brandon Larson? __________________ "Sometimes, it's not the sexiest moves that put you over the top," Krivsky said. "It's a series of transactions that help you get there."

08-13-2008, 01:27 PM	#10
Tom Servo thirsty and miserable Join Date: May 2006 Location: NJ/NY Posts: 5,419	Re: Looking back to what it could of been... We do have two openings in the outfield after this season... Let's bring 'em back! __________________ "Since I've been with the Reds in 1989, we've never had a farm system this loaded," Bowden said. "If we were the New York Yankees and had unlimited dollars, we could have traded for Colon, (Jeff) Weaver, Rolen, (Cliff) Floyd, (Kenny) Rogers and Finley and gotten them all -- and still held onto our top five prospects. That's an amazing statement."

08-13-2008, 01:46 PM	#14
OnBaseMachine Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 34,660	Re: Looking back to what it could of been... I remember there being an article back in 2002 talking about Jim Bowden wanting Dunn to start pulling the ball more in order to hit for more power. I thought it was foolish at the time because Dunn was still hitting for power and was hitting up in the .310-.320 range with an OBP in the .460 area and an OPS over 1.000, yet Bowden wanted him to pull the ball more. That doesn't surprise me though considering how awful of a GM Bowden is/was. Dunn was never that same hitter after that. All those different hitting coaches didn't help matters either.

08-13-2008, 01:56 PM	#15
bucksfan2 Waitin til next year Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 9,620	Re: Looking back to what it could of been... IIRC there was an article when both were still in the minors predicting future status of the top minor league players. Dunn was predicted as a future HOF and Kearns as a potental All Star and an everyday player in the bigs. It is interesting to look now 8 years later and see where each player stands. Kearns is a fringe everyday outfielder. If he weren't playing for Jimbo he would have bounced around the league for the past year +. Dunn on the other hand, if healthy, will put up HOF HR numbers. It will be interesting to see if Dunn hits 500, 550, 600 how people will fell about him.

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